Raeann Hofkin, CPP • Because if you stated you were NOT voting for Obama, you were told you were a racist. I believe some people didn't want to be branded a racist so they voted for him. I think voting for him just because he was black is just as racist.
However, if you ask me, McCain wouldn't have been much better. It would have just been a slower train wreck. It's both parties that got us into this mess. It's the Tea Party that is leading the way out of this mess.
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Sue Allen • this is a silly discussion. I would end it here. People that voted for Obama believed in him, 8 yrs of W. was mindboggling. I refuse to believe that anything else provoked that, and I find this discussion as instigating and insulting. ps. I didn't vote for him, because he is a union organizer, with much too much close affliations with the SEIU.
soI i would highly recommend this goes no further.
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Peter A Morgan • They voted for 'hope' not for Obama. Will they re-elect lost 'hope'?
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John Oliver • Mr. Tippie,
You are an enigma. You can provide solid commentary on any number of topics but when you discuss Obama it's like a full moon to a werewolf. You just can't control yourself.
Since you haven't commented further I suspect your on vacation or just waiting on another full moon.
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David Tippie • Why Did White Americans Vote For a Black?
White Americans voted for the first black man to relieve something burdensome or painful implanted in them from those who make a living keeping the past in the present, as though we were responsible for the past.
Rehearsing the past through the education in schools about past trauma placed on the black’s ancestors in slavery, which whites have pity for has somehow transferred to today’s blacks, for those past miseries of black’s ancestors.
That rehearsal is aided with the help of racists mongers and that white pity for those in the past is further transferred to today’s blacks, who are now, according to the racist mongers, supposed to be seen as treated miserably as their ancestors and who are now requiring entitlements for those past ancestral miseries.
Whites that voted for a black were seeking a way to indulge in a sense of spiritual purging or cleansing, which will never be accepted as atonement by the racist mongers who make their living on the vileness of it all being kept alive in the media.
White Americans felt guilty for the known existence of a revulsion toward the Negro race in our past, and showed their disdain by agreeing to such things as housing subsidies, food stamps and other programs, which un-knowingly to them, helped to enslave the blacks of today, similar to their ancestors by removing their will to achieve and replacing it with the entitlement attitude.
To compensate for their disdain for the past treatment of the black ancestors, whites happily voted for a remote and virtually a non-job holding black male, who was nothing more than a community organizer.
Elected first to the office of a Senator with a record of not voting on issues and then to the office of President of the United States.
It is a shame our first black President could not have been someone like Colin Powell, who at one time, was the most respected human being alive.
True, many black Americans voted for Obama from a pure racism ideology, to simply be against the white race and will do so again and again for the same reasons. We should never forget what people like the Reverend Wright spewed out of his mouth on Sundays.
But the Black and Hispanic minority did not elect the new President; White people combined with their vote elected the new President. The youth vote, the woman’s vote, and the vote from all those in America who cherish government program dependency, went to the candidate who appealed to their sense of want, entitlement, and self-justification.
This dependant voting bloc of people have never understood the glory of pride in one's self, through self achievement, which is rewarding in and of itself; plus the money you make by accomplishing your goals when government gets out of your way and life excels far above entitlements.
This voting bloc looks to someone else to provide for them and when they learn that taking from the haves, produces a dependant society and then the haves who are taken from, begin to see that working for something is penalized, so they too become part of the have not society, which creates a shrinking population of have’s that are providing for the have not’s and that means disaster is certain.
This attitude is contagious, especially when learned around the dinner table and from piers and then carried into adulthood. If one gets freebees, then those they associate with want same freebees.
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David Tippie • I can see the dominatrix emerging Sue, and do value you views, however this is not the kingdom and I am not your serf. If you do not wish to participate in the discussion, kindly refrain. But to imply you are the anointed one that will discern my subject material is ludicrous. It seem as though you want to remove yourself from your own inner thoughts by coining me a racist because I asked this question of Why Whites Voted For a Black? I will start here with the following:
Webster defines Racism in the following manner: it is a noun and:
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
Today, the word racism is thrown around all the time by not only members of racial minority groups but by whites, too. Use of the term “racism” has become so popular that it’s spun off related terms such as “reverse racism,” “horizontal racism” and “internalized racism.” This makes a breeding ground for those blacks who are exploiters of the word for a living, and a good one I might add. Does Al Sharpton or Jessie Jackson ring a bell? The Supreme Court continues to receive cases that require it to determine when affirmative action programs have created anti-white bias so if we must think racism let us not think black and leave out racism against whites.
Social programs have not only generated cries of “reverse racism” but people of color in positions of power have also. A number of prominent minorities including Obama, who has implied in his books as well as has been accused of being anti-white. The world is full of racist judge mental people. When you take the time to know a person no matter what their skin color you can accumulate the greatest assets for your company and for your friends. No matter who you are, if you're brought up to believe that someone who is "different" than you is the enemy, then until you grow older and educate yourself and mature and can reason for yourself, and decide for yourself that a person who is different from your skin color and has some of the same feelings as you do, and thinks some of the same ways you do, who is certainly not the enemy, but possibly could a great employee and/or boss or be a friend, that is when you become an adult and can leave racism behind. For those who seem to be stuck in that same old world who choose to never move forward in life, it is with sadness that I have to say: When you find that no one will listen to you any longer, perhaps your being alone will then cause you to re-think your opinions of others.
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • Dominatrix??? well now, that's a first. Thank you for the compliment. But you are the dude that began this discussion, and I find it distasteful. My opinion. So with that, duly noted. I am refraining from any further comment with you.
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David Tippie • Finding it distasteful and recognizing for yourself is one thing, but to insinuate that one must close down and refrain from any subject matter you find distasteful, is quite another; and the word Dominatrix would not seem out of order in that case. Hopefully you did not imply that you were refraining from any comment on any post or group which I was involved with. That would mean your way or the highway--so to speak---definitely the “D” word.
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Raeann Hofkin, CPP • What happened to free speech? If you don't like the topic, don't read or comment on it. It really is that easy.
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • @Raeann, yes what happened to free speech? I don't like the topic, its instigating and a big blah blah about racism with the title above, is personal. If I chose to say so, I will. Being called a Dominatrix is in poor taste too. @ David , there is a "D" word I could call you also. Ok? so there is free speech.
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David Tippie • What happened to your promise Sue? You are still here! Sidestepping your word to leave the conversation a moment --here is a note to: Barack Hussein Obama, what we have noticed.
During your campaign, Americans watched as you made mockery of our tradition of standing and crossing your heart when the Pledge of Allegiance was spoken. You, out of four people on the stage, were the only one not honoring our tradition.
YES, "We noticed."
During one of your many speeches, Americans heard you say that you intended to visit all 57 states. We all know that Islam, not America has 57 states.
YES, "We noticed."
When your pastor of 20 years, "God-damned America” and said that 9/11 was " America 's chickens coming home to roost" and you denied having heard recriminations of that nature, we wondered how that could be. You later disassociated yourself from that church and Pastor Wright because it was politically expedient to do so.
YES, "We noticed."
On September 11, 2001 there were no Republicans or Democrats, only Americans. And we all grieved together and helped each other in whatever way we could. The attack on 9/11 was carried out because we are Americans. Americans who show great tolerance to those un-Americans who curse her.
And YES, "We noticed."
When you announced that you would transform America, we wondered why. With all her faults, America is the greatest country on earth. KEEP THIS IN MIND, "if not for America and the people who built her, you wouldn't be sitting in the White House now." Prior to your election to the highest office in this Country, you were a senator from Illinois and from what we can glean from the records available (which are not many), not a very remarkable one.
YES, "We noticed."
There were many of us who prayed that as a black president you could help unite this nation. In twenty four months you have done more to destroy this nation than the attack on 9/11. You have failed America.
YES, "We noticed."
September 11 is a day of remembrance for all real Americans. You propose to make 9/11 a "National Service Day". While we know that you don't share our reverence for 9/11, we pray that history will report your proposal as what it is, a disgrace.
YES, "We noticed."
All through your campaign and even now, you have surrounded yourself with individuals who are basically unqualified for the positions for which you appointed them. Worse than that, the majority of them are people who, like you, bear no special allegiance, respect, or affection for this country and her traditions.
YES, "We noticed."
You are 24 months into your term and every morning millions of Americans wake up to a new horror heaped on our backs by you. You seek to saddle working Americans with a health care/insurance reform package that, along with all of your other spending projects, will bankrupt this nation and has downgraded our credit rating to the world.
YES, "We noticed."
We tea partiers seek, by protesting, to let our representatives know that we are not in favor of these crippling expenditures you have saddled us with and we are labeled "un-American”, “racist", "mob". We wonder how we are supposed to let you know how frustrated we are, since you disregard our Constitution. You have attempted to make our protests seem isolated and insignificant. Until your appointment, Americans had the right to speak out.
YES, "We noticed."
You have made a mockery of our Constitution and the office that you hold. You have embarrassed and slighted us in foreign visits and policy. We have noticed all these things. We-will-deal-with-you. When Americans come together again in November of 2011 to vote, our main objective will be to remove you from office.
YOU Take notice.
YES, "We noticed."
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David Tippie • We have huge deficits, a dying private sector, spiraling unemployment, high interest rates and inflation, and the end of American prestige. Obama blames all of these consequences on previous administrations, the rich, and corporations.
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • I never promised a thing. that would be political campaigning propaganda.
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David Tippie • Sue I am not concerned if you do on not, I was restating what you told, just above there: So with that, duly noted. I am refraining from any further comment with you.
What do those words of yours mean if not what they seem to mean for the rest of the world?
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David Tippie • Quitters never win, needs no further explanation as to why they don’t win. It is a good way to explain what we have done with our absence at the voting booth and, when we show up at the voting booth, we have an absence of any knowledge of who we are voting for. The greatest example is Obama. There is no one with brain cells that can say they knew anything about him before they voted for him, and we still don’t know much more today, and can’t find any of those who do know anything more. He hired great attorneys to cover everything up and even appointed one of those cover-up attorneys to the Supreme Court—Elana Kagan.
The taxpayer stands by while our esteemed elected officials pile regulatory agency after regulatory agency on the backs of the taxpayers. Remembering that 50 percent don’t pay taxes and that 45 percent live in houses the taxpayers pay for and eat food that taxpayers pay for and use electricity that the taxpayer pays for and even get cell phones that the taxpayer pays for.
Is it any wonder then that we have thousands of these freebies placed on the backs of the taxpayer such as this one: On some days, the pilots with Great Lakes Airlines fire up a twin-engine Beechcraft 1900 at the Ely, Nev., airport and depart for Las Vegas without a single passenger on board. And the federal government (taxpayers) pay them to do it. Federal statistics reviewed by The Associated Press show that in 2010, just 227 passengers flew out of Ely while the airline got $1.8 million in subsidies. The travelers paid $70 to $90 for a one-way ticket. The cost to taxpayers for each ticket: $4,107.
Shifting to High Gear in America is not possible because we have failing memories. In the 2008 elections, Obama won 28 states and nearly 53% of the popular vote; the Democrats won 21 seats in the House of Representatives (for a majority of 257 versus the Republican's 178) and 8 seats in the Senate (for a majority of 59 versus 41, including allied independents).
After gaining the majority, Instead of focusing on the hardcore tasks of job formation and economic recovery, the Democrats (controlling both houses and the presidency) went off in a number of directions -- their so-called social agenda. We have huge rising deficits and were downgraded by S&P, and a dying private sector, spiraling unemployment, high interest rates and inflation, and the end of American prestige. Obama blames all of these consequences on previous administrations, the rich, and corporations.
However because of our memory problems, we have trouble remembering what the guy we are voting for was responsible for. We can’t even remember corruption like William Jefferson, a Democratic congressman from New Orleans who was being investigated for bribery and was caught on camera taking a hundred thousand dollars in $100 notes from an FBI informant, and then hid it in his freezer. We know that the 45 percent who get everything free, which entices them not to work and who pay no taxes will not care about the mess our country is in, so it is up to groups like this one to take some additional Omega-3's and improve our memory, so that we can stand together to stop this train wreck in the 2012 election with our educated votes. Hopefully the free lunch folks will fail to remember to go vote.
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • Blah, Blah, Blah.
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David Tippie • Now, Now Susie.
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David Tippie • I don't have any qualms abut his skin color----I just wish our first black man would have been someone with a brain---like Colin Powel for example, who was clearly the most respected man---of any color---in the world.
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Marcel Martinez • Each individual votes for their own reason and it should be no concern of yours.Calling Sue a dominatrix is sexist at best and Joe calling Obama a half-breed is as ignorant as 4 year old child. Perhaps you need to go back in take some basic science classes many of you need to go back to take some basic poli sci courses.
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • Thank you Marcel. I was beginning to wonder if this was turning into a mob mentality.
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David Tippie • If the vast majority of black people voted for Obama because he was black then why did white people vote for him?
Also if color made a difference when voting so much why didn't we (black and white) support Al Sharpton when he tried to run? So color was not and is not the issue---with blacks as well.
Maybe black people and white people voted for Obama because they couldn't see themselves with MCcain especially considering his running mate and that his running mate was one heartbeat away from the Whitehous.
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JohnUnfollow Follow John John Oliver • David,
For someone interested in presenting the principles necessary to be President you certainly seem to enjoy wallowing around in this sort of muck. You have proven wiser than this and I suspect if you put your mind to it you can accomplish whatever goal you have here by working at finding a real root cause..
Yes, I understand free speech and I understand I don't have to participate. This topic is just picking at a scab and the more you pick the greater the scar will be. And then every other non-muckraking effort will have to deal with the "activists" this type of conversation can create.
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Roy Burgess • Let us not forget the legalization of POT (drug's), in this discussion! Why I say this: I remember a discussion I had with my website hosting company, employee...
His comment; "If we can't get pot legalized with a black president, how can we? This is it, our chance!"
He almost lost me as a client, because I became heated during my attempt to explain. That I didn't care about pot smoker's, let them go own with themselves... What bother's me is the idea of flying on an international flight, and the pilot flying high! Or have to have an open heart surgical operation and the surgeon smoking pot on his way to work...not good, not good at all...
And as we all know, as American's, 70% of our family and friends, are closet pot smokers! To include: When you can make Three Million Dollars every six months, by growing it in your spare room, under grow lights... that's a big motivator! It makes you want to get involved, doesn't it! LOL...
The next time, I talk to a pot smoker and they support Obama, I'll remind them that he didn't legalize it for them, did he?
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MarcelUnfollow Follow Marcel Marcel Martinez • There were some because they didn't like the other candidate, others voted for Obama because they didn't like the status quo, others voted for Obama because he symbolized change, the reasons go on and on. The fact is that he won the election. As for the Pot issue remember that it was there before Obama and to equate an increase in any type of incident due to the use of it is ignorant. Alcohol and other over the counter drugs do much worse. I don't mind pointing out that I'm not a liberal, in fact I'm a libertarian and when comes to a person's issues, decisions, and actions my view is that its none of my business. If I didn't know any better many here seem as though they want more government involvement then we have now.
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RoyUnfollow Follow Roy Roy Burgess • Let's see if this replying by email, works by posting my comment. This is the first time I've tried it!
Let's also point out, that not all white Democrats voted for Obama. I
didn't, and will not this next time... Being a registered Democrat doesn't
make me a liberal ether... I did not vote for him, because I didn't believe
a word he had to say, after watching him on TV state; "Did I tell you that
I'm black, you have to vote for me!"
To me, that statement was racist, instantaneously I stopped listening to
anything he had to say! In essence, I did not vote for him, because he came
across as a racist! Being the father of a multiracial son, I have
experienced racism first hand. Inside the military, on all side's of the
COLOR SPECTRUM...and inside my own family!
A racist, I am not!
Yet, I get hit by it, from all sides!
I voted for McCain, because in a time of war, we need a "Commander and
Chef," who does not need "On The Job Training!" Not only his military
background, but being the highest ranking member of the "Armed Services
Committee." My being a combat wounded veteran, also moved me in his
direction, and I cannot say that I would not have voted for him, even if I
had not turned away from Obama after his speech during Oct 2007... For many
reason's, including his stance on abortion and gay's serving openly in the
military...
His statement, "If the people want the border closed, we should close the
border!" I liked also...
But hey, that is all history, and my believing that many drug users voted
for him (Obama) because they hoped he would legalize pot is duly noted!
Say, "This freedom of speech thing feels good! I just exercised my
rights..."
Now it's your turn! Why Did White Americans Vote For a Black?
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RaeannUnfollow Follow Raeann Raeann Hofkin, CPP • First - RB...Thank you for your service to this country.
As for Why did White Americans vote for a Black? I can't answer that because I did NOT vote for him. Not because I am racist, because I am not. I didn't vote for him because I didn't like his policies, he lack of experience, and I didn't believe a word he said. All he talked about was "change" but never explained what the "change" was going to be.
If you ask me, the only change is the speed of the train wreck.
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John Garrett • Hello Everyone: I have been monitoring this post and felt it time to offer my "2 cents". Firstly, I very much agree with Sue, if that this post should have ended, if ever started to begin with. I am a conservative, and often find myself in discussions with opposing views. Clearly, we can do so respectfully, take the emotion out of our arguments, and simply present the facts as we understand them ... neither side will be able to convince everyone :-) What I do not believe supports such open discussion/debate if the title of this post, nor those whose argument notes "why did so many blacks vote for a half-breed".
Such titles and remarks are offensive, and I believe we should be able to engage in political discussion without such stereotype's. Focus on the message, address the points/positions (or perceived lack thereof), however in my view, don't attach the racial aspect of the individual.
President Obama and I disagree on all or at least 99.9% of the issues, and I welcome an open debate about such issues.
However, if you would like to be taken seriously, consider a quote which I am sure we have all heard before, namely, "A man should not be judged by the color of his skin but by the content of his character".
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John Garrett • Please disregard the multiple typo's within my comment/post - I was in a hurry to get out the door with my daughters :-)
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RoyUnfollow Follow Roy Roy Burgess • Thank you, Raeann ! You would not believe how many times I have been given the finger for my service. So when I read your comment "Thank you for your service to this country."...I expressed a sigh of relief!
(speed of the train wreck.) It has been happening for many years, and yes, it speed-ed up during the last few years... Those who have gone before us, warned us! Check out this short video "Red Skelton's Pledge of Allegiance" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZBTyTWOZCM The progressive movement has been taking her (America) apart, peace by peace, all of our life's. They have done it so slowly, we have excepted it as if it were sweetened Kool-aid! Then bang, they saw a chance to ram it down our Obamacare throats...
John, your right! The title to this tread, is shocking... Like you, I have been following it all along, and only yesterday, felt it time to post a comment!
I speak from personal experience, when I say, my cousins daughter said she voted for Obama, because "If you didn't, you are a racist!" Her being only 18 at the time, fell for the race card and peer pressure. She fell right in, and followed the crowed to the slaughterer! Then was shocked when my son (multiracial) scolded her for voting by color of skin...she thought he would have done the same thing! Because of the racial hate that has always been thrown his way... He replied " The color of his skin, what? Look at the content of his character!".
multiracial son =
My side = English, Scottish, French, Spanish, American Native - Cherokee. Mixing sense before the Civil War...
His mothers side = American Native - Darien (Panama), Chinese, and African (What African race or tribe, we do not know!) Mixing sense the construction of the Panama Canal...
I have always told him, sense he was a little boy, "All these different races that make-up his ancestry, make him a Human Being." Are we, father and son, stereotyped by the color of our skin? YES! It happens everywhere we go...around the world!
What needed to be done in the case of the young voter's, is to talk it over with them, inside the family, on a One to One basis. Before the election voting began...how to deal with pear pressure and the race card!
Why Did White Americans Vote For a Black? S*** happen's! LOL...
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RoyUnfollow Follow Roy Roy Burgess • April 9, 2009 on FOX news interview, Father Morris: Suffering can be a great time, but only for humble people! Anything that causes accountability, is not only moral, it is beneficial!
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David Tippie • There are people who even in this discussion have such fear of this subject that they would want it to disappear. With words like what is this doing to your character David, since you are a candidate for President? And I say a person's character is governed by the subject matter which he is not afraid to engage in. If each candidate would publish their own book, such as I have, that specifically outlines every action and inaction that he intends to take as president, and stop the 60-second sound bites of we are gonna fix it, or we are gonna make sure--- two of the favorites of the talking heads. You can't run from your own printed words and say that someone misquoted you. The strong leader that our country needs now is the one who will not skirt any issues and who offers his action plan as to how he intends to put the brakes on this speeding train headed for oblivion---and when it hits the book shelves and Amazon in mid September--get a copy and compare the rhetoric you have heard thus far--to my action plan (title) President 2012, Patriot or Puppet for billionaires. 1 month ago
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Jennifer Wise ( LION Networker 2750+ Connects!) • Would MLK Jr have voted for Obama based on the Content of his Character?
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • Jennifer, Martin Luther King Jr., died along time ago. so I don't think speculative answers do anyone any good. How could you know unless you have a direct conversation with the man. I don't hope you find me rude, and its a question that I would love answered, but the man is dead, and dead men can't lie, nor can we suppose what they may answer. Its a perception check, asking anyone to answer so.............and you are inviting the men in this thread to get on their soapbox.....................which have become boring. this may be a sidebar.....if you get my drift.
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JenniferUnfollow Follow Jennifer Jennifer Wise ( LION Networker 2750+ Connects!) • Hi Sue.... yes MLK Jr died quite a long time ago but is character the same then? I believe voting for a person because of their race is in fact racist.
I have wondered if MLK would have backed Obama... we will never know of course. I like that this board is not censored and people should speak their minds. I know the topic of Obama brings lots of emotion from many people.
I say that his race means nothing in the big scheme of things. It is whether or not he can lead and move the country and Congress to good things for America. He seems to believe in very big government and has worked to make it bigger. His ideas are about stimulus only..... it is really easy to spend somebody elses money.
We got a professor with little real world business experience that has nothing to do with his race.
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David Tippie • Mentioning my book was part of the answer to another’s remarks, Susie, where I was bringing light to the 60-second sound bites of politicians and that a book defines your position and action plan that in inescapable which I think should be the antidote to simply vote for me guys--I represent Hope & Change--without any definition of Hope & Change. Does that clear it up for Susie? 1 month ago
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Shelly Wymer • What a horrible, racist question. I voted for President Obama because I believe in what he's trying to do. I joined this group because I THOUGHT it would be a great place to network with people who follow politics like I do. However, after seeing some of the sick-minded discussions here, I'm leaving this joke of a group behind.
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David Tippie • See there, now that is all that is necessary when you don't like the group discussion, just leave it. 1 month ago
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David Tippie • The reality, of course, is that Obama’s views are far from the mainstream and it is embarrassing so many Americans fell for his leftist candy-coated lies. Indeed, it appears that Obama is the most far left President in American history. His appointees only confirm this. 1 month ago
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Shannon Esopenko • David, many people voted for Obama because they were sucked in by the charismatic, eloquent speak that came out of his mouth, along with his hollow promises and the cheers of "YES WE CAN!" reverberating throughout the building where he was speaking and waving his pom poms. ;) Did some vote for him just because he's black? Absolutely! I know this for a fact because of in-depth discussions I've had with people who've admitted it, and yes, to vote for someone strictly on skin color *IS* racist. I'm just hoping that these people who were sucked in by the "candy coated lies" have realized that's exactly what they were and to BE SMARTER, use their brains instead of their emotions, and vote the man out in 2012.
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • David, 1st my name is not Susie, you have thrown enough of your sexist remarks at me which explains why you ever began this discussion, You appear to me to be a rascist, sexist, and a really sorry lonely man. I feel pity for anyone like you, you have an over-blown ego, with a delusional, hallucinogenic image in your mind that you represent Hope & change. I am hoping you are just trying to be a bit amusing and do not take yourself so serious. may I suggest you get some professional help to assist you back to reality, if that really is how you feel and are not just kidding.
\@Jennifer, Shannon, & Shelly, do not let this nut job suck you into anymore of this destructive conversation, as I have, as I need to back out of this, ladies, and I wish you all the best.
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Lee Birkhead • Hi David, Long Time! I think that the majority of whites that voted for a black were not discerning color but actually wanted the change that was needed. I know of no candidate that ever ran on a platform of "no change". Can you imagine some politician saying "If you vote for me; I will change absolutely nothing"? Of course not! People were far more desparate to straighten out the path Govt was taking us than they were about Race or skin color. Look at the countless grass roots organizations that organized during that period (not just the Tea Party). The major problem was the average voter was not educated in what made this country so great. It is not going to get straighten out until we get educated in what the Founders experienced for 150 years prior to the founding of 1776.
Now I will be the first to recognize that a certain portion of whites voted for a black because of the promises he made and were taken in by his charm and even some thought that now is the time for socialism where the govt will take care of all of us...forever. Of course this is more nonsense and obvious lack of education and commonsense. Non of us can name a country as sucessfull as this one that got there through socialism; i.e. rob from the rich and give to the poor to redistribute the wealth. If a nation as a whole can not understand that then there is no hope. Enough for now.
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Lee Birkhead • That Sue Allen is a piece of work. She is actually the epitome of our warfare! Typical meaningless, unobjective, brainless liberal. How do you get them to shut up?
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • Thank you Mr Birdhead..........and please do not send me any more private messages.
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David Tippie • Hello Lee, I like your insight as always, but how to rid ourselves of meaningless liberal jabber is another issue: Raeann, Jennifer and Shannon---educated ladies who have participated in this discussion with extremely capable insight and great viewpoint’s--so I am not clear where Susie's comments stem from of my being a sexist racist. However maybe--this time--she will remain true to her word and not provide any further liberal delusional, hallucinogenic views that are meant to disrupt.
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RoyUnfollow Follow Roy Roy Burgess • No no no, let's not get upset with Sue or David!
I like Sue, I think she is a nice lady...and I value her opinion! It helps me understand my own view of things!
I hope that they can somehow agree to disagree, and vote against Obama...LOL...
David too, I respect him, he has written a book about the Pharmaceutical Companies and how their playing us all for fools. That makes him an authority on the subject. I'm glad to see him post information about his latest book, here, so I can find it more easily...
Lee, I really like your shirt, and want one for my self...it tells me, that your an American and Proud of it! Me too...and you come to the aid of your friend, David, I like that!
Your an American, and I'm Proud to chat with you!
Shannon, Jennifer, Raeann, it was good to read your comments...
Ingo, " I'd vote for a little green fellow with antennas on the head if that little green fellow could fix the problems." I agree, then I read Shelly's comment too...and Shelly voted the same way, just she is on the other team...God Bless her, she is out numbered here!
David, could I ask an important question?
If you were President, and had your way! Would you clean out all non-US Citizens from working in the US Social Security Administration and the US Veteran's Administration! Stopping them from taking part in the decision making process while governing over US Citizens?
This is an issue, as I am seeing it happen with my own eye's...and want it stopped!
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • R B, you mean well. Its ok, and I thank you for being the gentleman that you are. My opinion is my opinion, and does not call for being labeled as a dominatrix or a brainless liberal just because I do not agree with Mr Birdhead or Mr Tippsie, but be that as it may, I stand on my own views, I belong to no party, in particular fundamentalists who call themselves right wing tea baggers or left wing radicals. They can get caught up in this mob mentality all they want, the fact of the matter is we need new leadership, pulling out the race card to begin a discussion is distasteful and can be very destructive. That is my opinion................and last I heard from Mr Birdhead in a private and harrassing message to me, its a free country
RB, you have alot of info, move forward, don't get caught up in this nonsense, because thats all it is.
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RoyUnfollow Follow Roy Roy Burgess • Thanks Sue!
I was able to move a little forward yesterday, by uploading files to Amazon.com Kindle...it's in review now! Wish me luck...I've also been blogging around the internet! Getting some traffic too!
My son registered as an independent, and that makes a lot of sense to me. I'm thinking of doing the same thing. As I have always registered as a Demarcate, but always voted my conscience, not party!
Conscience - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscience - Cached - Conscience is an aptitude, faculty, intuition or judgment of the intellect that distinguishes right from wrong. Moral judgement may derive from values or ...
I cannot vote, by color of skin, I just cannot do it...
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RoyUnfollow Follow Roy Roy Burgess • I don't know Joe! Maybe this is the perfect place for Shelly, and others who voted for Obama...Simply because, I need to have a better understanding as to why? He being against everything I grew up knowing America to mean, and be!
The Right to Life, and The Pursuit Of Happiness!
The Right To Bear Arm's!
Freedom of Speech and So Forth!
I for one, would like to read their reasoning, so that I might better understand "What The HELL Happened To My Country?"
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RoyUnfollow Follow Roy Roy Burgess • God Bless America, I Love Her, and Miss Her...I want her back, safe and sound, un-harmed...but it is to late to get her back un-harmed...still, I miss her deeply and want her back!
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MarcelUnfollow Follow Marcel Marcel Martinez • I apologize, may have come across a little rough earlier. It is my opinion that American society chose a leader that did not represent everyone's desires. Please remember that we have a two party system and if the party you voted for did not get elected your out of luck. As such we have an election every 4 years and Americans will have another chance to bring about change.
I understand how some would feel pressured to vote for a candidate but when we go to vote we go alone. No one puts a gun to our heads and the mob definitely is going to follow you or boss fire you; we vote of our own free will. Now if individual chooses to vote because the color or sex of the candidate, its their own decision and none of yours. Lets say that this is exactly the case, what does it matter? Doesn't the constitution protect the racist as much as any American?
If you want change please do so by standing on higher grounds. Talk about the broken promises, different ideology, or perhaps how a different candidate could and would do better. Trying to analyze why white or black Americans voted for a black president is like asking why the KKK voted for Bush. In either case its counterproductive to what your attempting to discuss.
As for myself I didn't vote for Obama but nor did I vote for McCain. Both went counter to my ideology so for me it was Ron Paul. As such is life and I didn't get what I wanted. You don't see me pointing fingers and blaming anyone. Come now I consider myself a kid, and the only thing I care about are solutions.
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JohnUnfollow Follow John John Oliver • Well said Marcel, that was a good post.
If you want to understand why people voted the way they did you can boil it down to a quote by the Fabian Socialist George Bernard Shaw: "When government robs Peter to pay Paul they can always count on the support of Paul."
Paul could care less what color his benefactor is, they just better keep it coming.
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RoyUnfollow Follow Roy Roy Burgess • You brought a smile to my face, John...thanks!
Marcel, I like Ron Paul and considered him! If he had won, we would be much better off right now...and I'm glad to see him running again as well!
"As such is life and I didn't get what I wanted." is true, and is why we, or should I say myself and others, need to understand better! Why people voted the way they did. So that while we work to put our country back on the path we grew up knowing it was on, or at least believing it was on...we have an understanding of how she got taken away from that path...
We, and I'm trying to speak for my whole country, have woken-up!
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David Tippie • Hello RB, to answer your question about illegal aliens, it starts in chapter five and I cut and pasted from my text the following: Deporting Illegal Aliens:
There are approximately 11 million illegal aliens in our country today and every one of them will be deported by our patriotic president if he is elected. The time of big controlling government is over, free enterprise will be encouraged and incentivized, entitlements will be de-incentivized and our beloved country will thrive once more.
This is why I said earlier, every person running for president should put on paper what his action plan is going to be, so there can be no equivocation or misstatements for others and the candidate can't hide from his agenda.
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RoyUnfollow Follow Roy Roy Burgess • Hi David!
Oh, yes, I like that, and want to buy a copy of your book. Is it out yet? I'll add a link on my site to it...drive some traffic to it!
Still though, I was referring to the "Employee's" of the Social Security and Veterans Administration's who are involved in the decisions making process. Employee's, who are not US Citizens...
Let me ask it again, please Sir!
If you were President, and had your way! Would you clean out all non-US Citizens from working in the US Social Security Administration and the US Veteran's Administration! Stopping them from taking part in the decision making process while governing over US Citizens?
Because, in my America, "Only US Citizens" are eligible to be employed by the US Government, inside any of the Administrations which govern over US Citizens...such as the Social Security and Veterans Administrations... I mean, their making decision's, "For or Against" an "American Citizen"...and that's wrong! They should not be involved in anyway, right? Truly, they shouldn't even be answering the phone, much less involved in any decision making concerning an American Citizen... that's treason in my way of thinking!
But then, answering the phone, is part of the decision making process, isn't it?
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Colin Ullrich • We are actually in the process of updating our website to show political platform information as well as whatever information is available for whom their top campaign contributors are, although most is covered up through PAC's and Super PAC's. We already have it set up to show you who your District Rep is as well as bills up for vote and ones on roll call. I created a group to come up with solutions to the ever festering sore of illegal immigration that has destroyed the work force in the Southwest. TellMyGov is designed to educate the people and therefore, promote governmental change. In order for our site to remain non-biased, and basically governed by its members, I often have to refrain from posting information, since I am a site admin. I enjoy reading the topics and comments I see here, but they need to be broadcast to more people. We will have periodic interviews with political figures, and we want to know what to ask them! Most politicians do not seem to listen to Peter, only to Paul, but once we have an established base, they will have no choice, and will probably want to because they want the votes. We launched on July 4th, and are just now getting to the point of actually advertising to the public. The only way to change is to educate the masses. RB and John, Thanks for signing up! www.tellmygov.com
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • I, too, signed up for your site. I am interested in what your site might bring forward. Education is always key, and so is interpretation. I like the fact that you say it is non-biased and looks to promote change, rather then create a pessimistic tension base of fear. So many people are plagued with fear and insecurity in the world as we know it and are looking for answers. As quoted in the Washington Post....discussion is an exchange of intelligience; argument is an exchange of ignorance. So good luck !
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Scott Catino • As conservatives, we don't see color... we see individuals. Cain, Rubio, West are all men of color but more importantly they are solid conservatives with unwavering principles... This is America and any natural born citizen should have the opportunity to run this great country regardless of pigment . The topic's headline is something I would expect from a liberal or progressive not a true conservative. Progressives/Liberals are masters of class warfare. The problem with this country is that the liberal media controls the narrative and people who don't seek the truth will be indoctrinated by all the misinformation. As conservatives it is important that we educate all people on our core beliefs and values. The policies of FDR and LBJ's "Great Society" have failed miserably and have further set back the minority population in terms of jobs and education. I want a leader who knows the constitution and will adhere to American laws and conservative values: whatever gender or race he or she may be. Stop the race-baiting... it's beneath us...leave that up to MSNBC and The NY Times.
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • awesome comment, Scott!!! It is beneath us!
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David Tippie • RB, when you read my book you will understand that nothing against the Constitution of the United States will be allowed: We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
I don't read non-US citizens in any part of that.
And Scott, the biggest scam that has ever been pulled on the American people has been able to play out because of the politically correct. As you may have guessed, I am not politically correct.
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ScottUnfollow Follow Scott Scott Catino • David,
The words "Politically Correct" is another liberal narrative, so you buying into the notion that you are not is just an attempt to throw flames about race. Your so-called book only leads others to move away from our conservative principles.I am a constitutional conservative who understands the values endowed by our Creator.
Have you ever read this: "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"....
We have to teach everyone who is born here or immigrates here about "American Exceptionalism", obviously that is lost on you. You are not a true conservative rather an establishment Republican with a flawed ideology . Conservatism does not discriminate.. Progressives and Liberals do....
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RoyUnfollow Follow Roy Roy Burgess • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Colossus
The New Colossus
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Emma Lazarus, 1883
This poem was written as a donation to an auction of art and literary works
[2]
conducted by the "Art Loan Fund Exhibition in Aid of the Bartholdi Pedestal
Fund for the Statue of Liberty
raise money for the pedestal's construction [3]
contribution was solicited by fundraiser William Maxwell Evarts
refused, but Constance Cary Harrison
the statue would be of great significance to immigrants sailing into the
harbor.[4]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution
A constitution is a set of fundamental principles or established precedents
according to which a state
or other organization is governed.[1]
together make up, i.e. constitute, what the entity is. When these
principles are written down into a single or set of legal documents, those
documents may be said to comprise a written constitution.
Constitutions concern different levels of organizations, from sovereign
states to companies and unincorporated associations. A treaty
organization
also its constitution in that it would define how that organization is
constituted. Within states
whether sovereign
federated
defines the principles upon which the state is based, the procedure in
which laws are made and by whom. Some constitutions, especially written
constitutions, also act as limiters of state power by establishing lines
which a state's rulers cannot cross such as fundamental rights
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ScottUnfollow Follow Scott Scott Catino • America is a country created by immigrants... This non-US citizen talk is ridiculous... If you come here legally, pay your taxes and live by the rule of law... then you are welcome... If not, then you should be deported.
David , I hope you are just trying to create a buzz for your book... otherwise you truly do not now what are founding fathers wanted or what the constitution mandates.
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ScottUnfollow Follow Scott Scott Catino • Sue,
Thanks and send me an invite to connect.
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RoyUnfollow Follow Roy Roy Burgess • Scott, I'm the person talking non-US Citizen, not David... I am experiencing this in my day to day life...non-US Citizen's contracted to work inside the Veterans and Social Security Administration Offices....making decision "For or Against" me and other Native Born Americans...
America is a country created by immigrants...by breaking away from treasonous tyrants...immigrants have always been welcome, and always will, if they enter our country legally...and process for citizenship...just like the America immigrants who fought and died to get her-our independence...
If your looking for a fight with David, so be it...God Bless both of you...but I am the one seeing the non-US Citizens contracted to work inside the US Government Offices...blame the non-US Citizen comments on me...I can handle the truth...thanks friend!
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • I did Scott..........you are a good voice of reason and understand or rather live in reality.
Truly this whole thread has revealed the nature of flawed politics, and human kindness vs. ridiculous and perverse plain ole' pot stirring.
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • R B, you sway both ways of the pendulem and spend much too much time on here. I think Scott made it perfectly clear what he said, and what he has read.
Its nice of you to welcome immigrants to enter our country legally. My grandparents did, as I am not from a native American background, paid their taxes etc. But realize something, desperate people sometimes use desperate measures to stay alive. You may not like it, but it is the truth. You were in the military, so you should know that first hand.
I respect your commitment to have served in the military, and hope your life stays on an even keel.
Reflect your own views and don't parrot someone else that is a distortion & very mean spirited.
Scott is a breath of fresh air.
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ScottUnfollow Follow Scott Scott Catino • RB,
I am not looking to "fight" with anyone but I read words like "Half-Breed", "Non-US Citizen" and the topics title and it seems like we're living in the 50's. I understand where you are coming from RB.. I lost a couple of City contracts because they were stolen from me an now I'm in litigation... However, I think we need to come together as conservatives and stand on principles.
Sue makes comments based in reality and she's called a liberal...Really that is ridiculous.
I understand everyone brings their own experiences to this group but sniping, ridiculing, and name-calling is not going to turn America back around. We have to realize , the Republican Elite made some mistakes by going against the very principles the campaigned on, selling out their constituents as well. So we need an organic group of conservatives who actually know what conservatism is to get America back on the right track. Just because I disagree with people in here, doesn't mean his/her opinion is wrong... I'm just trying to inject some rational thought into this discussion.
If you're struggling with your job because of the corrupt government... empower yourself..start a new business... after-all, you have to be an advocate for yourself first before you can help anyone else...
I want to help anyone I can better their life because that will make for a better America... Remember when you point the finger at someone, you have 3 pointing back at you. I don't blame anyone for my mistakes, I try to find solutions for them.
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RoyUnfollow Follow Roy Roy Burgess • Hi Scott, yes the non-US Citizen's working inside the different government administration offices that I've dealt with over the last few years, and who are making decisions for, and or, against us native born and legal citizens. Have been doing this, sense before Obama came to be elected to the office of the President...so my fight against it, passes over to his administration...and, guess what, LOL, if my own father was President, I would fight against this, as I see it as TREASON... Treason, Obama should have put a stop to...
If these government employee's were immigrants, and were going through the nationalization process...I would question it still...so I fell they should not work in the US Government until they are full citizens...
I first noticed this, when I went to an appointment inside a US Military Veterans office, and the man handling my case was an Active Duty Philippine Military Officer and Philippine Citizen. He judged and processed my case, "In My Favor"...still, he had no right to be deciding my case...or even working as a US Government official...it's just wrong...
Sense that day in 2008, I have noticed this type of thing again and again...and have spoken up about it so much, that I am a throne in the side of those Administration Offices contracting non-US Citizens to work there...so I feel as though, something I'm doing is working, and somehow this will all end and only US Citizens will be employed inside the US Government, making decision "For or Against" me and my follow Americans...
And yes, they are following my every internet activity, and reading this...hello CIA, FBI and the Obama Administration...it's meeeeee....I will not let this rest!
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RoyUnfollow Follow Roy Roy Burgess • Hi Sue, Nice Lady, I'll try not to parrot...I too hate that kind of thing...where did I do it...maybe it can be deleted or something...
I was trying to man up to the responsibility of making and continuing the non-US Citizen comments...wouldn't want anyone to catch flak meant for me...
This is the most active group on Linkedin, or at least it is the one filling up my email account, LOL...and after my electric being out during the thunder storm which just past, I was hot and ready to make my complaints known! (non-US Citizens)
Caught up on my file up-loads and blogging...so I'm hanging around!
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RoyUnfollow Follow Roy Roy Burgess • I'm following this http://www.philstar.com/nation/article.aspx?publicationsubcategoryid=67&articleid=706540
Local authorities yesterday admitted that they still had no idea where kidnappers have brought two US citizens and a relative they seized in an island village last Tuesday.
If the US Government leaves this investigation to non-US Citizens, I fear it could go bad in a hurry...
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ScottUnfollow Follow Scott Scott Catino • RB,
I would like to echo Sue's statement and Thank You for your service. I agree with certain thing you say, we can go back to FDR and see socialists and communists infiltrating government. Senator McCarthy was excoriated for even bringing up the issue only to be proved right by "The Villano Papers". I am glad you are fighting, we need people like you but some of the comments in this discussion are just ignorant and inflammatory. I think the both of us want America return to prominence, but how can we educate people if we're name-calling, race baiting, or finger pointing. This is not the way to win the hearts and minds of people because then we are exactly being what the progressives want...raising awareness and using common sense is my plan.
I live in Chicago, I know how these people think and their tactics... I am fully aware of criminal corruption in government but I think if we stick to our principles and methodically educate the citizenry, we will win... Progressives and Liberals have no core values.. their ideology is their religion...
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RoyUnfollow Follow Roy Roy Burgess • Nicely said Scott!
Good to know we are both on the same side!
"The Villano Papers," I'm going to look that up, and read about it again...thanks!
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RoyUnfollow Follow Roy Roy Burgess • Wow, Scott! McCarthy really stirred up a hornets nest, didn't he!
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JohnUnfollow Follow John John Oliver • R.B.
First of all, Thank You for your service!
I missed the context that began your non-US citizen campaign so I apologize if I'm being redundant. Are you stating we have illegal workers working for the US government or legal US workers just not US citizens? If it's the former then absolutely identify them and get them out. If it's the latter then are you suggesting the US government should not employ anyone that is not a US citizen?
I do not have the data to support my next comment so I will present it just based on reason. I spent 20 years in the Navy and worked with many non-US citizens that were actively engaged in our National Defense. We see every year mass citizenship ceremonies conducted for active duty military personnel. Your assertion would require these patriotic non-americans wait to join our armed forces until after they have achieved US citizen status.
One of the our nation's best weapons in support of national security is to seek out the most talented people around the globe and secure their commitment to many of our national interests. Scientists, economists, etc. from around the world have been and still are on our government's payroll legally and these talented people are not and may never become US citizens. I would prefer the private sector capture this talent but until they do we need to secure the assets we can.
If we have unfair business practices or illegal business practices supporting non-US citizens over our own citizens I suspect that should be defensible in our court system. At the very least the court of public opinion should be brought to bear but this needs to be based in facts and not supposition.
My greater concern is not the small percentage of legal non-US citizens working for our government but rather the large percentage of US citizens not working and still getting a paycheck from the government. I made a comment in this thread a couple of days ago about Peter and Paul. Paul comes in many forms and it's about time we give Peter a break.
I could not agree with Scott more and his sentiments are the foundation of our group Return of the Republic. Principles first but as I have brought up in a couple of othe discussions I have going, getting agreement on a root cause or selling the lofty message of principles doesn't seem to fit comfortably within even this conservative forum.
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ScottUnfollow Follow Scott Scott Catino • John,
I think we're on the same page... however, principles are core values and not a lofty message or platitude like "Hope and Change"... We need to educate people on the founding of this country and why it is so exceptional... those core values should never be compromised.. It is only because the MSM has deluged the naive into thinking progressive policies are what's right for America... These people who vote for these policies are actually voting against personal freedom and the right to life , liberty and the pursuit of happiness... in effect, they are voting against their own self interests and leaving it up to government to solve their problems... People actually think America is a democracy when it actually is a Representative Republic.... that's the education system for you...
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David Tippie • Children of illegal aliens, those children that were born in the United States, unfortunately are accepted as citizens and guaranteed a “free” K-12 public education. In Mexico, a Mexican citizen is guaranteed a free public education up to about eighth grade, which is equivalent to about our 5th grade. It is a fact that many Mexican teachers expect a bribe from the parents to go to work. That said, there are hardships internationally, including in our own country and shelling out for the illegal’s have produced an environment of dossal non-activism on the part of most Americans. I am glad-RB- that you pointed out---non-US citizens were being hired to ultimately determine the fate of non-US as well as illegal’s in our country. The words that come to mind are that our tax dollars have hired the fox to guard the hen house. I can appreciate that all of us came from immigrants and that we all welcome legal immigration (the optimal word here is—LEGAL). In fact there are avenues for ease of becoming a citizen and as John pointed out, one of them is by joining our military. I see nothing wrong in this, in fact I applaud it as I am certain all true Americans do. But I think there are certain jobs that should require US citizenship and RB, the one you pointed to, is a great example. I think the true patriots that know me who contribute to my group postings realize that those who are making slimy remarks and other dribble out their mouth about my conservatism or my views, accomplishes absolutely nothing. Important immigration reform took place in this country in 1965, some say, first opening the flood gates to illegal entry. The true nature of the legislation, by the then liberal-controlled Congress, sponsored by Senator Ted Kennedy, was to bring more diversity to America.
Not long after the 1965 immigration reform passed, Texas experienced a budget crisis. Recognizing that the Federal government’s failure to secure the border resulted in thousands more illegal alien children every year attending Texas schools, the State of Texas passed a law in 1975 (Statute 21.031) to save education tax dollars by refusing to educate illegal alien children with taxpayer dollars. The law stated that these children’s illegal alien parents had to pay tuition if the children attended Texas'' public schools. In fact, school districts then refused to enroll these children because the school district would not be paid the usual tax monies by the State. Subsequent Texas court cases established that illegal aliens had no right to a free public education because they were in Texas illegally, therefore not entitled. At that time, whole alien families were deported when they were reported to the INS (now ICE) when they tried to enroll their children in public schools. Predominantly Hispanic school districts, such as those in San Antonio and other cities, tried their best to get around the state law. Of course, it was illegal to enroll a child as a citizen when they were not.
Two years later, in 1977, a class action suit (Plyler v. Doe) was brought against a Mr. Plyler, the superintendent of the Tyler ISD, "et al" (meaning also the members of the Board of Trustees). The State of Texas intervened as a "party defendant". The suit was filed in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Texas by social activist lawyers "on behalf of certain school-age children of Mexican origin residing in Smith County, Texas, who could not establish that they had been legally admitted into the United States". Let it be known that the plaintiffs'' original legal team received substantial help from the American Immigration Lawyer''s Assoc., the Asian American Legal Defense and Education Fund (AALDEF), the National Education Assoc., and others who had an interest. The result was that the U.S. District Court decided against the interests of the citizens of the State of Texas.
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RoyUnfollow Follow Roy Roy Burgess • Hi John!
Great to read your comment, and thank you for your service as well... Scott, you too! I hope to earn your friendship's, or at least your respect...for without your respect, I have nothing! This, I was taught by a Korean War Veteran and wonderful friend... He said, "RB, without respect, you have nothing!" So here goes...
Wow, it would take far to long to go into depth about this...let me try, in a very short version!
I am a native born American...a South Florida Native Born Citizen...as you know, to be an American is a citizenship, not a race!
I have been in the Philippines sense Feb 2007, and as you know -terrorist groups are here... Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG), Alex Boncayao Brigade (ABB) and the New People's Army (NPA). By Dec, I was working hard toward my permanent resident visa! And while at the Office of Immigration in Manila, I noticed a man on the Terrorist, Most Wanted List. He is Dead now, but at the time this was a pretty big thing to have walked into, as he took notice of me as well...next a man walks by me on a crowed street, and says "FOLLOW YOU DIE!" A few days later, I notice a Philippine Military Officer, in uniform and a truck load of men in uniform under his command following me though the local city...then another man, on the street, walks up to me and says, "YOU WILL DIE!", then walks away...all of this gets very scary to my wife...as the local police are known as corrupt. And it will take 6 to 8 months to get an appointment to talk with one of the few Americans working inside the US Embassy. So I started emailing my government officials back in Florida! They were giving me the run around, so I sent copies of my messages to them, on to the Whitehouse email address...
Next, because I am a Combat Wounded Veteran, with service connected rating adding up to 130% combined, and have to rely on Government Run Health Care through the Veterans and Social Security Administrations. I had made an appointment at the Veterans and Social Security Administration Offices at the US Embassy... While there, I was interrogated by the Philippine Military Officer, mentioned above...
All of this lead me to a trusted Senator on the Arms Service's Committee. Senator Martinez of Florida quitting, Governor Crist of Florida losing the support of the GOP. Ambassador to the Philippines Kristie Kenny, getting replaced... Filipino employee's at the embassy, suddenly not working there...and my being denied health care, LOL...we have been going back and forth for 4 years now...
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RoyUnfollow Follow Roy Roy Burgess • Continued from above:
During this time, I have been followed and photographed often, always by the same people, seeming to be in 4 different teams...and many times showing up at the same time questionable unsavory character's were also in the area. So I continued to keep the Senator on the Arms Service's Committee informed, by use of his website contact form...
Then one day in July this year, my wife came home scarred out of her mind, and describing a man in one of the teams that had been following me...he had driven very fast, up next to her while she was walking, took her picture, and sped away...
If you have read my Linkedin public profile, you know that I have a few skills of my own, and soon was sending messages to my trusted Senator on the Arms Service's Committee. Because I had un-covered, that it was Ambassador to the Philippines Harry K. Thomas, Jr...who was contracting Filipino's (non-US Citizens) to follow and photograph myself and my family...while at the same time allowing the Filipino's (non-US Citizens) working inside the VA and SS offices, denying my full VA - SS Government Run Health Care...
Now check this out, On August 11, Ambassador Thomas spoke on U.S.-Philippine bilateral relations before a large audience at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, D.C...http://manila.usembassy.gov/asia_society.html
I connect these dots, and know he was called back to the states, to talk things over with the Whitehouse...that can't be spoken about over the phone! So yes, I'm all about, only US Citizens governing over me, inside the US Government... Filipino's (non-US Citizens), should have no say so concerning me, government run health care, For or Against me, inside the US Government... I will not stand for it, and hope to inform the whole USA... They (non-US Citizens) should not be involved, when it come's to my government, governing over me!
Hey, did you know that my brother spent 26 years in the US Navy? My uncle 25 years, and a cousin 20 years...got to admire that US Carrier, Fire Power...
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RoyUnfollow Follow Roy Roy Burgess • Hi Joe!
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ScottUnfollow Follow Scott Scott Catino • I agree on the illegal immigration issue but your topic wasn't about illegal immigration... and I also agree Obama is going to go down as the worst American President ever... I just feel it has nothing to do with the color of his skin but rather his policy... and if you think you're going to win any election by race-baiting.. you're not... Again true conservatism sees individuals not race or class or gender.... Obama was launched into office because of the corrupt Chicago Machine in bed with the media.... Nobody looked into his ties to Reverend Wright or Bill Ayers except for Hannity... because everyone feared being called a racist. If you would have pointed out Obama's radical views and social justice agenda, I would agree... but to ask "Why America Voted for a Black" is ludicrous..Any American regardless of color/gender should be able to achieve any dream he/she wishes... You should have asked the question 'Why did America elect a socialist/marxist President ? I am not going to get into a war of words with two people who want to race bait and point fingers.. Solve the problem at the local, state and federal level.. because as we have seen.. elections do have consequences.... If you don't understand the true values of conservatism than you will suggest topics such as this... Your topic's speaks for itself.. and I will buy your book and use it for toilet paper.
McCain is a war hero but he is a political hack... he needed Palin just to have people show up... RINO's are problems as well... And Joe, He obviously framed the question to get responses.. so please don't tell me about conservatism when you use the word "Half-Breed" and "Looking More Like His Mother"... are you guys (not RB) that insecure by your own identity that you pick out a persons race... that's when you should know you lost the argument.
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ScottUnfollow Follow Scott Scott Catino • RB,
I think we should all be concerned with the Monetary Criminal Soros playing games with our currency like he did with 5 other nations...
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • OMG! Give it a rest already.
Scott, John, you both make sense in a senseless discussion.
RB, get some rest. David & Joe, you both need to go to charm school. Say goodnight, already.
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ScottUnfollow Follow Scott Scott Catino • Sue,
I agree...this is senseless and I wonder about their true motives.
Have a great night and you as well RB...
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RoyUnfollow Follow Roy Roy Burgess • Hi Scott, you stated "Obama was launched into office because of the corrupt Chicago Machine in bed with the media...."
I Love It!
That statement makes me smile...
But I disagree about McCain and Palin; God Bless Palin, I have nothing against her...and God Bless McCain too...I feel that he was cast aside by the country he fought and nearly died for, and someone with little or no experience in comparison to his, was chosen for the job over him! Wow, right?
And let's not forget Ron Paul, he was dumped on too!
So how can we look forward to people who voted for Obama, not to vote for him this time, no matter why they voted for him last time! I mean, surly they have been effected deeply by his administration's policies, on a personnel level, and in their bank accounts too...
Surly we all (American's) want the war on terror won, and our military back home or in a safe zone, right! I don't see it happening with Obama...
Well, anyway, I believe 99% of this group will vote against Obama, and that we agree we should never vote by color of skin, but by the history of the person's views compared to their accomplishments...and experience! That way, we have an insight as to how, he or she, will govern over us, The People!
We The People, should hear from all who have announced their bid for the Whitehouse, right! Not just Ron Paul, but everyone running, too! Then on election day, let's come together and change the world...
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JohnUnfollow Follow John John Oliver • Well Joe, it's a shame the depth of your arguments amount to nothing more than "I know you are but what am I?". I suspect you have more to offer but I haven't seen any evidence of it. Good luck.
Scott,
Out of context I can understand your point. For context, I have a discussion going about "Selling We the People to a Me culture. The point about the "lofty message of princples" is that "Me the Person" does not think about the needs of others or the needs of the nation. Given that, they certainly cannot grasp the concept of the principles each of us must embody to turn this nation around. I welcome your participation in that discussion as I believe we share the same vision.
Sue,
I'm going to do something I thought you had done awhile back. Get out of this discussion. I don't believe the topic is relevant and I certainly have seen the host do much better. I'll keep an eye out if he decides this type of race-baiting rhetoric has no place in a civilized society.
R.B.
That is quite a story. I'm going to read it a few more times to try to get the facts to settle in. I certainly pray you remain safe and get satisfaction from our government.
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Christin Griskie • Obama is not black, he is melato. http://www.gogriskiego.org
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David Tippie • Scott, since you obviously did not read my presentation for this discussion with your race baiting mis-information, I will restate it for the lazy: Why Did White Americans Vote For a Black?
White Americans voted for the first black man to relieve something burdensome or painful implanted in them from those who make a living keeping the past in the present, as though we were responsible for the past.
Rehearsing the past through the education in schools about past trauma placed on the black’s ancestors in slavery, which whites have pity for has somehow transferred to today’s blacks, for those past miseries of black’s ancestors.
That rehearsal is aided with the help of racists mongers and that white pity for those in the past is further transferred to today’s blacks, who are now, according to the racist mongers, supposed to be seen as treated miserably as their ancestors and who are now requiring entitlements for those past ancestral miseries.
Whites that voted for a black were seeking a way to indulge in a sense of spiritual purging or cleansing, which will never be accepted as atonement by the racist mongers who make their living on the vileness of it all being kept alive in the media.
White Americans felt guilty for the known existence of a revulsion toward the Negro race in our past, and showed their disdain by agreeing to such things as housing subsidies, food stamps and other programs, which un-knowingly to them, helped to enslave the blacks of today, similar to their ancestors by removing their will to achieve and replacing it with the entitlement attitude.
To compensate for their disdain for the past treatment of the black ancestors, whites happily voted for a remote and virtually a non-job holding black male, who was nothing more than a community organizer.
Elected first to the office of a Senator with a record of not voting on issues and then to the office of President of the United States.
It is a shame our first black President could not have been someone like Colin Powell, who at one time, was the most respected human being alive.
True, many black Americans voted for Obama from a pure racism ideology, to simply be against the white race and will do so again and again for the same reasons. We should never forget what people like the Reverend Wright spewed out of his mouth on Sundays.
But the Black and Hispanic minority did not elect the new President; White people combined with their vote elected the new President. The youth vote, the woman’s vote, and the vote from all those in America who cherish government program dependency, went to the candidate who appealed to their sense of want, entitlement, and self-justification.
This dependant voting bloc of people have never understood the glory of pride in one's self, through self achievement, which is rewarding in and of itself; plus the money you make by accomplishing your goals when government gets out of your way and life excels far above entitlements.
This voting bloc looks to someone else to provide for them and when they learn that taking from the haves, produces a dependant society and then the haves who are taken from, begin to see that working for something is penalized, so they too become part of the have not society, which creates a shrinking population of have’s that are providing for the have not’s and that means disaster is certain.
This attitude is contagious, especially when learned around the dinner table and from piers and then carried into adulthood. If one gets freebees, then those they associate with want same freebees.
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ScottUnfollow Follow Scott Scott Catino • Dick,
I am not going to get into a "war of words" with a person who is totally unarmed.
I live in Chicago so I know quite a bit more than you about Rev. Wright, The Nation Of Islam, and Bill Ayers. I am also a student of history and may I suggest that you are the lazy one. Do yourself a favor and actually educate yourself on the communist/socialist movement from the FDR presidency on... that is why Obama got elected..it was because of his ideology not his skin-color. True conservatives are not racist and all your talking points have racist overtones.... Hilary Clinton would have beat McCain.... The progressive movement along with the liberal media and the Republican elite has been laying the groundwork for BIG Government for years... This topic is racist, you are intellectually dishonest and morally bankrupt. I am out of this discussion because I do not believe you are any better than the Southern Democrats of the 50's or the progressives of the present... who only see people through race... you have such a myopic view of America... No go to your dictionary and look up the word myopic.
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David Tippie • A-lass, I shall not address children further. Kids do what kids will do. 1 month ago
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • Don't be humble. Your not that great.............Golda Meir
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JenniferUnfollow Follow Jennifer Jennifer Wise ( LION Networker 2750+ Connects!) • Election 2012.... will the general public get to know about Tony Rezko, Bill Ayers , Rev Wright and so many others? Who was his mentor as a kid in Hawaii ( Frank Marshall Davis the staunch communist and mentor to young Obama?
We need to educate the politically illiterate better for 2012. As far as race, if Obama had been white he would only have been seen as an in expereinced professor with terror ties ( Bill Ayers, B Dohrrn, etc), socialist views, attorney teacher for Acorn... never would have been anywhere close to the nominee.
I agree with the Chicago native.... Obama was pushed in by the Chicago machine and the Mass Media.
God Bless Sean Hannity for trying to expose who he really is and a few others also.
Conservatives need to do MUCH better in prep and tactics for 2012. Liberatarians and all right leaning people have to band behind whoever the anti Obama candidate it.
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RoyUnfollow Follow Roy Roy Burgess • I'm a native born citizen of the State of Florida...living in the Philippines, while my son is going to the University of St Louis. I try to keep up with all sides of the issue's so that I might better vote my conscience. This has always proved to be a problem, as the Philippine government block's any opposing views of President Obama being broadcast... FOX News is blocked on the cable network, and any view on CNN is temporally blocked if it opposes Obama... Heck, the international news networks are band from the country...
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RoyUnfollow Follow Roy Roy Burgess • Without the internet, I wouldn't even know who the presidential candidates are!
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RoyUnfollow Follow Roy Roy Burgess • Heck, the international news networks are band from the country...their investigative reporter's are blocked from getting visa's... Is this government a puppet and Obama is the puppeteer?
Could, or would a different President to the USA, change this, because all US Citizens living or visiting this country have a right to know who is running for President to the United States...
Hhhmmm, I'm getting an idea! Sense my email is censored, or blocked from with-in this country, when they don't like what I'm doing...I'm asking who can help expose this?
Naaa, maybe I shouldn't draw anyone into this...just know that I am an American and I am a voting citizen, wanting an honest and upfront election but can't get one!
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RoyUnfollow Follow Roy Roy Burgess • I'm wondering how much is censored from our troops overseas as well! They vote too...
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David Tippie • The Obama's government today announced that it not only backdoored illegal aliens to stay in this country legally, it's also changing the flag to a CONDOM, because it more accurately reflects the government's political stance. A condom allows for inflation, halts production, destroys the next generation, protects a bunch of dicks, and gives you a sense of security while you're actually being screwed. It just doesn't get more accurate than that! 1 month ago
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RoyUnfollow Follow Roy Roy Burgess • Now I'm smiling... :)
CONDOM, LOL...now I know why I'm always feeling like I'm being screwed by my government!
It makes sense now...
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Mike Cunningham • THE MEDIA!!!! The Media gave more coverage and manipulated polling to make Obama the front runner. Obama aligned himself iwth Financial power house and media Controller George Soros, Obama was given the attention and coverage to sway the masses of uneducated voters.
What I mean by uneducated voters ..... people no longer take a the time to reasearch their candidates voting records,or stance on issues rather than listening to their campaign promsies or what the media rams down their throat. If you were to look at Obamas Senate Voting Record and his stance on the issues or the fact that he did not vote on half the bills I dont think he would have even stood a chance to get elected.
The typical American voter does not take its responsibility of its Freedom, Liberty, and Rights to give due dillegence to the voting process. Stop listening to media and polls research your candidates and stop listening to this non sense about a wasted voted. Your vote is your voice find the candidate that best speaks for you and represents your ideals. Until we do this we will continue to send CRAP to Washington.
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Paul Lott • That's a load of crap. White America didn't vote for anyone. Americans voted. You under estimate Americans. don't like him if you don't like his policies. Race has nothing to do with it. He is not the first black man to run. He is just the first to win. ANY Democrat would have won after George W and won. The country was just not going to replace a Republican with a Republican.
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MikeUnfollow Follow Mike Mike Cunningham • http://www.senate.gov/ Here is a link that you can find your Senator and research their Voting Record.... It takes a little bit of work you will also be able to see how often they vote and if they even show up for work .
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MikeUnfollow Follow Mike Mike Cunningham • http://www.house.gov/
Here is the link to see for congress. I have done my reasearch found the candidate that clearly speaks my voice he is affectionatley known as DR NO he has voted against every tax increase vote against all un balanced budgets etc etc. can you find your candidate without the talking heads picking it for you??
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David Tippie • Barack Hussien Obama is no fool. He is not incompetent. To the contrary, he is brilliant. He knows exactly what he's doing. He is purposely overwhelming the U.S. economy to create systemic failure, economic crisis and social chaos -- thereby destroying capitalism and our country from within. He must increase his voting base and to do that he must offer amnesty to illegal aliens.
The rest of the story: http://www.linkedin.com/groupItem?view=&gid=3667504&type=member&item=67057552&qid=61a064ba-1be4-45fa-a1a7-ce71f4e0b38c&goback=%2Egde_3667504_member_64957554%2Egmp_3667504
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MikeUnfollow Follow Mike Mike Cunningham • David you are correct that is the SOROS objective look at Greece and Germany and several other economies that he has impolded
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IngoUnfollow Follow Ingo Ingo Potsch • George Soros did not kill the Greek economy. That is something the Greek did themselves with corruption, cheating, retiring at their mid fourties with 130% of their work income as pension, government employees earning three (!!!) times more then private sector employees (a train driver would get 7k EUR, for example) and lots of other economic madness, too.
And for the Germans, some people who happened to work in banks but should never have set a foot in an bank other than as a customer putting money into his savings account impacted the economy.
Yes, German banks were cheated by American banks but that was only possible because on the American side you have very sophisticated cheaters with finance degrees from Wharton and Chicago and MBAs from Harvard and on the German side we had some folks who happened to be in the convenient political party or who were cheap enough to work in a bank that considers Wharton a M.Sc. in Finance too expensive or people who did an apprenticeship at age 16 anf then some courses here and there and finally believed to be bankers and able to play with the big boys (though many of them hardly understood English and had no idea what they were doing) or people whom nobody knows how ever it was possible that they appear on the pay roll of any bank at all.
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ScottUnfollow Follow Scott Scott Catino • @Ingo
Soros is a monetary criminal.. you can defend him all you want but he is wanted by 5 different countries, just ask Zimbabwe
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David Tippie • I would be careful ---Ingo, you know the old saying loose lips sink ships. John F. Kennedy knew how to fix the problem of banking, by firing the FED. On June 4, 1963, a little known attempt was made to strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the government at interest. On that day President John F. Kennedy signed Executive Order No. 11110 that returned to the U.S. government the power to issue currency, without going through the Federal Reserve. Mr. Kennedy's order gave the Treasury the power "to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury." This meant that for every ounce of silver in the U.S. Treasury's vault, the government could introduce new money into circulation. In all, Kennedy brought nearly $4.3 billion in U.S. notes into circulation. The ramifications of this bill are enormous. With the stroke of a pen, Mr. Kennedy was on his way to putting the Federal Reserve Bank of New York out of business. If enough of these silver certificates were to come into circulation they would have eliminated the demand for Federal Reserve notes. This is because the silver certificates are backed by silver and the Federal Reserve notes are not backed by anything. Executive Order 11110 could have prevented the national debt from reaching its current level, because it would have given the government the ability to repay its debt without going to the Federal Reserve and being charged interest in order to create the new money. Executive Order 11110 gave the U.S. the ability to create its own money backed by silver.
After Mr. Kennedy was assassinated just five months later, no more silver certificates were issued. EO 11110 has never been repealed, so go figure how deep the assassination went---even today.
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Emilio Ruiz • David-
I think you give people too much credit in their thought process and education.
The reality is the use of smart branding, marketing, social media, use of the web, big bucks from wall street, capitalizing on the general rule that the young are normally liberal (they don't know any better), organizations as Acorn plus all the other progressive and socialist orgs all worked to get him elected
Plus the guy is one of the best bullshit artists I have ever heard.
The Republicans played a stupid hand McCain and Palin.
We got our asses handed to us, it was a lousy campaign and candidates.
The average person doesn't even know history or where Washington D.C, is on the map.
The average person doesn't even know that we are on the skids like Europe if we continue to go the socialist road. Look at some of the union boobs that refuse to see it as well.
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Danea Mobley-Krist • Wow! You really should have worded your post a little better...sounds so racist. I think his color/heritage has nothing to do with why he was elected. He was a great campaigner. Unfortunately for all of us he turned out to be another Bush...but way way worse. I did not vote for either Obama nor McCain...so Im pretty much guilt free...lol
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EmilioUnfollow Follow Emilio Emilio Ruiz • Read the "Creature of Jekell Island", that is when the creature "the FED Bank was created by our great buddies: Melon, Carnegie, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt etc.
We have been screwed ever since that.
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EmilioUnfollow Follow Emilio Emilio Ruiz • You got it.
Nothing is for free.
You pay with the loss of freedom.
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • good post, Danea..........
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David Tippie • That is your mental thing Danea, there is nothing racist about it, had you read it, it points to the why's not to the colors. When a person is guilt ridden they can't stand the words being spoken in public is all. 1 month ago
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MikeUnfollow Follow Mike Mike Cunningham • So why is it then when there is a discussoin that has a subject of non white persona that if you disagree with somone elses point of view YOUR A RACIST!!!! And it is usually because they do not understand or can't comprehend what it is your are discussing so YOU ARE A RACIST!!!! WOW severe disconnect from logic
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David Tippie • Mike I don't think Denea is a racist because she would like me to have worded this post differently, like I mentioned from the beginning, some whites feel so disgusted at what our ancestors did that they play right into the race mongers who make a living by keeping the race card on the front burner. Ever review Jessie Jackson or Al Sharpton. Not outstanding citizens---either of them. Running from all presence of the word color, black or racism is pointless and fruitless. If someone has something to say then say it but if they would wish to tell others to re-phrase what they say to sooth their own conscious isn’t going to win friends or influence people. 1 month ago
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David Tippie • A quote from Robert Welch: For well over a hundred years our politicians, statesmen, and people remembered that the United States was a republic, not a democracy, and knew what they meant when they made that distinction.
For in time, under any government, without that principle of our republic, slavery is inevitable, while with our republic slavery is impossible.
Quote from David Tippie: We are becoming more and more enslaved to our government by day. Why? Because we have become more and more a democracy.
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MikeUnfollow Follow Mike Mike Cunningham • Dave,
Thanks for your response I guess it was more on me becuase Racist and Racism is so common place in discussion I was not referring to any perticular person just a note to the repeated comments on a daily basis of someone being a racist when an issue involves color or ethnic issues. After all the biggest perp of Racism is our own Fedeal Governent. The classification of People, Groups, Social Economic Status is what heightens frustrations. If we would unite as a group consider ourselfs Americans first rather than ethnicity first. The Government would have one heck of a hard time dividing us for more control.
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • Since Danea is a PR professional, I would pay attention to the statement and stop bouncing it back to everyone that has said that they felt the wording of your title is offensive. What you did was turn what could have been a good discussion into a nasty war of words. Why? You are a billiant man, why would you do that???
Quote for David Tippie: As a man grows older and wiser, he talks less and says more.
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JohnUnfollow Follow John John Oliver • David,
I told you 2 weeks ago you are an enigma but perhaps that riddle has been solved. As I watch this discussion the posts are overwhelmingly consistent. People are not discussing the question but defending against accusations. I believe you knew this would be the outcome by you not keeping it focused to the question. Sadly that would mean you could care less about the question and only care to keep your name in lights. I cetainly hope I'm wrong but if true that is the epitome of what many principled people are fighting against.
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David Tippie • Mike a great man pointed out in a book who is running for president; Honest, Trustworthy Patriots Did Not Bring Us to Where We Are Today! I don't care how far back you care to go, politics has always had money and corruption at its core. I am sure if we install term limits for all in congress, like the presidency, this will be on solution in bringing our country back to the people.
Keep in mind that in the United States almost nobody who reads, writes, or does arithmetic well, gets much respect; kids are trained to be game players and talkers and now we are 17th in the order of world class education in some categories. That well educated people consistently get rewarded has not provided a better school environment, the focus is on more on sports and games.
We Only Want Americans:
The left is always playing the race card to keep that part of their voting bloc focused on the wrong issues. The race card, like an overused credit card, is now rejected.
I plainly state that I need you to stand up and be strong with me. Again I want only those who see themselves as Americans. If your skin color affects your commitment to be a patriotic red, white and blue blooded American, then sit this out; you are on the other team.
However, no matter what your skin color, if you are a God-loving true American patriot who truly wants to save our country then it is our patriot who will be elected president in 2012. It is you he represents, and it is you who must help us take our country out of the jaws of these America haters.
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EmilioUnfollow Follow Emilio Emilio Ruiz • Danea don't take your marbles away and leave the discussion.
Stay in the game it is through different views that we learn from one another.
I don't agree with David on the Obama was voted in because he was black.
The democratic party mobilized themselves in a superior manner.
They utilized the social media brilliantly. They also pointed blame at the republicans for the economy when it was the liberals (Dodd, Frankle, Schumer, etc) that pushed the banks to make the home loans through the housing act and the lobby of Acorn. Clinton signed the deregulation bill for the banks he could have vetoed it, so they blame the republicans when a majority of congress voted for it.
Or involvement in Irag a Bush blunder did not help and the poor choice of candidates in the election. And other issues that made the American public look to another direction. The grass always looks greener on the other side. The media
being liberal in general did not question or vet the Obama candidate.
This political correctness and fear of the word Racist paralyzed the media into really looking into the Obama candidate and really look into his past.
They were even afraid to demand to see health, ed and other records.
That all other candidates have released in the past.
The double standard ha s to be brought to a stop. Makes me want to puke.
The REPUBLICAN PARTY FAILED PERIOD.
They sat on their asses to assured and did not organize and stay true to party.
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • And a great point made by John Oliver............
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David Tippie • I appreciate these private messages guys, it helps loads. The private message:
just wanted you to know that there are some of us out there that agree with you but see the futility of trying to argue with stupid people who won't admit a truth when it's slapping them in the face, because if they did, then they would have to look in at themselves and realize that yeah, maybe they themselves were racist for voting for this guy.
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David Tippie • In this PC world the Libs have created for us in the 21st century, it seems like we can never question anyones positions, beliefs, morals or behavior without being accused of hurtful speech or that you are an enigma. Enigma NOUN:
One that is puzzling, ambiguous, or inexplicable.
A perplexing speech or text; a riddle.
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • why would you post a private message..........I do believe that is "Attention Seeking Behavior". Had I posted the private messages from some of your fan club, it would have been appalling. I also did not post the private messages I got that were from some very good sound minded folks, because it said private.
David, you & I like to banter back & forth, you are more passive aggressive and I am just blond.You are a pessimist, I am blond. You are always right, I'm just blond..............oh well, think I'd rather be blond than you............we have more fun.
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David Tippie • John you stated: What lays at the feet of Congress are the throats of the American people and what I'm trying to accomplish is a reawakening of the voters to the fact they have a responsibility to get out from under it. If that is your clear understanding in the discussion which you started "Root Cause", why is it so dificult to imagine that is what I am trying to accomplish as well? Only in a different venue.
After all you just stated in your discussion: I will take the comments not the position he stands for but rather the fact he stands for a position and can communicate it with founding references. Interpretation is not killing this country; apathy is.
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JohnUnfollow Follow John John Oliver • Nothing wrong with being an enigma David. That might even be a compliment unless of course I was right on the mark; you have taken it as a negative so go figure. Was your reference to "a great man pointed out in a book who is..." a bit tongue in cheek? Also, you are now putting quotes in your posts from some guy named David Tippie? Seriously?
mag•nil•o•quent /mægˈnɪlÉ™kwÉ™nt/ Show Spelled[mag-nil-uh-kwuhnt]
adjective
speaking or expressed in a lofty or grandiose style; pompous; bombastic; boastful.
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EmilioUnfollow Follow Emilio Emilio Ruiz • beating a dead horse
If something is already done and over with there is no point in still talking about it.
Lets go to the video tape for the next discussion
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David Tippie • Not unlike your warm style John, you and I not being strangers and all. Do you simply discount what I just stated about your comments to move on to what you seem to seek as being more important (my writing a book)? After all, coming from you stating that I am grandiose, pompous, bomgastic and boastful, I take as a compliment. John will you check the spelling in the following also? Speeding onto something important however:
President Obama has so discredit himself in office that I don't believe he even be on the ballot in 2012, that is based not just on where we are now, but where we are going under his misleadership. Many illegalities to his name but the huge one seemed to have slipped by our Congress.
Watergate was supposed to have established that Presidents are not above the law. If that is so, President Obama should of had to resign for breaking the law in the Sestak affair. Rep. Joe Sestak (D-PA) is now the Democrat nominee for the Senate seat held far too long by Arlen Specter. President Obama induced Specter to switch parties and give the Democrats their very temporary, 60 vote, filibuster-proof majority, in return for endorsing him for reelection and promising him no opposition in the Democrat primary. Moreover, indirectly offering the job through former President Clinton still violates the statute, as does the offer of an unpaid position.
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MikeUnfollow Follow Mike Mike Cunningham • Here is something for everyone who voted for OBAMA if you believe that it is justified for him to have a second term you are part of the problem
Obama sets record: $4,247,000,000,000 debt in just 945 days
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David Tippie • Ten years after the Sept. 11 attacks, the American psyche has bounced back better than psychologists predicted. But that doesn't mean the terrorist attacks didn't leave scars. The problem with a catastrophic collective trauma like 9/11 is it's not just the place and the buildings that were destroyed. Many aspects of our social lives have also been distorted and altered. Now we have Obama who plainly hates our country and is doing all things in his power to destroy us. I personally don't believe he will even be on the Democratic ticket it 2012 due to his villainous MIS-leadership. 1 month ago
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JohnUnfollow Follow John John Oliver • Sorry David, my post was sent before I saw yours. You and I are in full agreement but the problem I have is the vehicle you have chosen to get the message out. If your point was to address the root cause then why not say that? If we both agree We The People are the problem then the right question may have been "Why Did Anyone Vote For Obama?" To color the question was unnecessary and for me to imply you would use this sensitive of topic to promote a book or launch a campaign is absolutely unfair. So please accept my apology and I will get out of the way..
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David Tippie • John I doubt if I had a problem with the vehicle you chose to map out your discussion that you would consider changing it. That said, because you did not vote for Obama, or if you did, you did not vote for him because he was black and that you had some soul cleansing to do, does not mean it did not occur. I state that it is exactly what occurred and the white vote got him elected. The liberal news media played every note that kept the evil covered up and played him as our savior and chief. The brain dead among us took the ball and ran to the voting booth with it. Now to quote a good guy by the name of Mike Cunningham: Here is something for everyone who voted for OBAMA if you believe that it is justified for him to have a second term you are part of the problem.
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David Tippie • The first two principals taught to Marx by Moses Hess was that of (1) race warfare and (2) class warfare, with race warfare being the most important between the two and exploited by the race mongers for profit, helped elicit white voters who are even today, trying to be politically correct so as not to offend; this is completely understood by the Muslim occupying the Whitehouse. We are genuinely fighting with some citizens who are devout communists or simply those who do not care as long as they get the government dole. 1 month ago
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IngoUnfollow Follow Ingo Ingo Potsch • There are many people living on this World of ours who's views I do not share. But I can't see so many communists in the USA; in deed. There are people who would like to benefit from the welfare system, some even want to milk it or would be prepared to suck the blood out of the economy for the smallest advantage of their own but true communists seem fairly rare. That may not be an important decission because one may asume a position of "what ever...." but sometimes some precise date helps to determine who it is one is fighting agains. There is no need to bark up the wrong tree and start suspecting communists when it is actually just some selfish folks who would like to benefit at the cost of others.
Here some info from Wikipedia:
""Communism is a sociopolitical movement that aims for a classless and stateless society structured upon common ownership of the means of production, free access to articles of consumption, and the end of wage labour and private property in the means of production and real estate.""
As our Western societies are classless societies, the whole idea - bonr out of the notions of classes and thus a class struggle - is obsolethe anyway, even without all the logical contraditions and empirical counter-evidence.
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David Tippie • Ingo this in no way is a reflection on you are your character or any person from Germany. I have friends who are German and they have shown me that socialism and communism are not bad words in Germany. Without going into great detail I can make a comparison very brief for the true American Patriot however. And that is that every Mother's sons and daughters of us will die defending our freedom and that can translate to: We would die defending our country from Marxism, Communism---just most every ism except Americanism. We are the home of the free and the brave. Although we are in the background in today's politics, The Roots of American Government by: Hobbes and Locke --- Locke eloquently demonstrates how true patriots think and believe and Hobbes portrays how socialism /slash/ communism gets its roots in societies.
Both Hobbes and Locke wrote about social contracts. Each had a differing view of the social contract.
Hobbes
Hobbes believed strong government was necessary to restrain man, and men must give up certain rights to a government. (Communism)
Locke
Locke argued that men formed governments in order to preserve property and justice. If governments fail to do this, the people have a right to revolt since the government has broken the contract. (American Patriot)
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IngoUnfollow Follow Ingo Ingo Potsch • Oh, please, you misunderstood me completely. I am for sure not a follower of that bearded man from Trier who messed up the World.
What I wanted to mention is only that there is a difference between ordinary chaps who just wan to get out of the system as much as possible - reap off entitlements - and communists.
There is a huge body of theory behind communism and socialism and those theorists have been fighting among themselves ever since the whole thing was incepted.
Some people want all those things that communist theory prescribes because they are communists and some people just want some of the things - like lots of free-bees and entitlements - because they want a free lunch (and a free dinner and a free breakfast and a free servant to serve it to them and a free chef to cook if for them and a free dish washer to was the dishes for them...... - and even though these folks might vote for anyone who promises those entitlements to them, they are not communists.
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IngoUnfollow Follow Ingo Ingo Potsch • And NO, Communism and socialism do NOT generally have a good meaning in Germany. There is only a fraction of the society that is so far left. This fraction is not larger than the same fraction in the USA. You have a stronger right but it seems to me that you also have a much stronger left. When I see some of your labour unions and some of the fks you call "liberals" (Liberals in Germany are pro-business, pro-free-economy), then I could not think of many that far out to the left on the older side of the Atlantic.
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JohnUnfollow Follow John John Oliver • That is some interesting rationalization Ingo. If you ask Peter he'll tell you it doesn't matter what motivated Paul to take your wallet. You've still been robbed!
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PaulUnfollow Follow Paul Paul Lott • Who took whose wallet?
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JohnUnfollow Follow John John Oliver • Don't worry, no one's looking for you. It's in reference to a George Bernard Shaw quote: "When the government robs Peter to pay Paul, it can always count on the support of Paul."
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PaulUnfollow Follow Paul Paul Lott • LOL. I thought I had missed something...
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David Tippie • Paul you may have missed this, it is the debate between Obam and Ronald Reagan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ohtLcMfODU&feature=player_embedded#t=11s
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David Tippie • As a white liberal running in a majority African American district, Tennessee Democrat Stephen I. Cohen made a novel pledge on the campaign trail last year: If elected, he would seek to become the first white member of the Congressional Black Caucus.Now that he's a freshman in Congress, Cohen has changed his plans. He said he has dropped his bid after several current and former caucus members made it clear to him that whites need not apply; that video is here
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0107/2389.html
Why is there no Congressional White Caucus?
Seems kind of odd, if we're going to allow a Congressional Black Caucus. I thought everything was supposed to be fair, right?
None of our Congressional representatives have the courage to point out that racism is racism. In fact, none in our Judicial system has that kind of courage either, as Black Chambers of Commerce, Hispanic Chambers of Commerce, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People are all still in existence today, while no one, white, black, brown or red has the courage to point out that these are all racist organizations. And do we even have to say one word about “La Raza”, the most blatantly racist organization of all? Yet, no one says a word.
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David Tippie • Janeane Garofalo's bashing of the tee Party: “Let’s be very honest about what this is about. It’s not about bashing Democrats it is about bashing Republicans, Jeneane Garofalo says: it’s not about taxes, the Tea Party Movement has no idea what the Boston tea party was about, they don’t know their history at all. This is about hating a black man in the White House. This is racism straight up.” Okay, I give up. Will someone please tell me who in the hell Janeane Garofalo is?
Why did the media became so fixated with her after Barack Obama smooth-talked his way into the White House?
Garofalo’s bio says that she’s a comedian and an actress, but, my gosh, she can’t even imitate Sarah Palin. Not to worry though, because if you’re an entertainer in today’s world, you automatically get a platform for espousing your political views — or at least your hatred for capitalism, America, and the Western way of life.
At the time, what struck me was how convoluted her remarks were, considering the fact that it would have been impossible for Barack Obama to get elected without white votes. Did every tea-party member vote against him? If so, he would have lost the election in a landslide.
In any event, it was a merciful respite when Ms. Garofalo finally disappeared from my television screen. Hold it, though … not so fast. Like Michael Moore, Garofalo apparently gets nervous if she’s out of the limelight too long, so she’s made a comeback with her wild conspiracy attack on that shiftless Uncle Tom, Herman Cain.
Said the lovely Ms. Garofalo, “I believe Herman Cain is in this presidential race because he deflects the racism that is inherent in the Republican Party, the conservative movement, the tea party certainly, and the last 30 years, the Republican Party has been moving more and more the right, also race-baiting more, gay-baiting more, religion-baiting more.”
She then added, “But Herman Cain, I feel like, is being paid by somebody to be involved and to run for president so that you go, ‘Oh, they can’t be racist. It’s a black guy. It’s a black guy asking for Obama to be impeached’ or ‘It’s a black guy who is anti-Muslim,’ or ‘It’s a black guy who is a tea party guy.’ … ‘Let’s get Herman Cain involved so it deflects the obvious racism of our Republican Party.’”
Kind of scary to know how obsessed these far-left hate mongers are with race. And very sad that they continue to show that they have no respect for black American patriots. We should never forget that Democrats are the party of Bull Connor, George Wallace, Orval Faubus, the Ku Klux Klan, and Jim Crow laws.
As we see today in Congress, in Hollywood, and in the media, they are hateful, they are violent, and they are devoid of civility and character. But, other than that, I guess Democrats aren’t all that bad.
Nevertheless, I have to admit that I owe Ms. Garofalo a debt of gratitude for making me realize that Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, Allen West, Tim Scott, Mychal Massie and a raft of other totally unqualified blacks must be nothing more than Republican pawns being used to deflect charges of racism against the tea party, conservatives, libertarians, and the Republican Party. After all, they’re too dumb to make their own decisions in the eyes of these Democrats.
I’m embarrassed to say it, but some of these guys almost had me fooled. Thanks, however, to gentle Janeane’s words of wisdom, I now know better, don't you?
Thank you Jeneane Garofalo.
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IngoUnfollow Follow Ingo Ingo Potsch • Entertainers are entertaiers. They make their money by amusing others. Not all may be amused but with a population of more than 300 million, the USA are big enough to provide sufficient audience for a wide variaty of entertainers. No matter where they stand, it is completely sufficient for them to have a couple of thousands to a couple of millions of fans to earn a livelyhood; be it just to make ends meet or lavish.
They might talk a lot of nonsense but that nonsense may be just what is amusing for the audience.
Hollywood tried a couple of times to influance elections and there was a lot of media coverage of endorsements. The effect on the electorate somewhere between nill and not measurable and maybe it was even counter-productive. People want to be amused by Hollywood, they want their daily or weekly piece of escapism but they don't want actors or moovie makers to tell them what to do or even what to think.
The power of the media has been very much over-estimated for long. People know that the media is far too often not genuine but is reporting along party lines or with some hidden agenda to be followed like the political or professional association or conviction of the people working in media. The audience is not all dumb and numb but people have a tendency to think for themselves.
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IngoUnfollow Follow Ingo Ingo Potsch • In Munich, Bavaria, Germany, there was a cabaret with fairly far to the left entertainers while Bavaria was ruled for about 5 decades by a conservative party and the majority of the inhabitants were - and I would say still are - rather conservative. But every show of that very leftleaning cabaret would be filled with all those upper and upper middle class conservatives. Why would they go to see a deep red who? Well, to have a good laught! That is what entertaining is all about. The the biggest joke is the far left fellow who actually believes that his (or her) ranting has any meaning or that he or she is being taken serious.
And that's the same thing here. Instead or arguing with a comedian who left his or her fiefdom to enter the tournament in another sphere, just tell the person: "You are funny" or "you are an entertainer" or "you are a comedian". That's what they are, that's what they earn their money with, that's what we pay them for. And if they crack political jokes....well, have a good laugh.
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ScottUnfollow Follow Scott Scott Catino • @ Ingo
I would agree with your comment about the entertainment industry up until about 15 years ago. However, I think that has changed. The underlying political view in Hollywood is Liberal/Progressive. I believe the litmus test now for young entertainers is your Liberal qualifications rather than the casting couch. Senator McCarthy was proven right by the "Villano" papers when he investigated communists in the Hollywood community. I agree some people watch films and tv to escape, however, there seems to be an underlying liberal idea or veiled comment on most shows and if you repeat the liberal narrative long enough it becomes engrained into your head unless your able to differentiate entertainment from the entertainers political views. I have personally cancelled HBO for this reason. While I enjoy many of the shows, I just can't stand the perpetual bombardment of their liberal/progressive agenda... couple this with the social media proliferation and you can't help but be surrounded by it. If Obama could run on his record, why is Hollywood producing a movie for him 1 month before the election, and why did he hire "Kumar" as a liason between government and Hollywood ?
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David Tippie • Obama, the “yes we can” President, has become a joke. He was always been a joke with conservatives but now the independents have been let in on the joke while the left is upset at how ineffectual he has been in pushing their Socialist dreams. So how can Obama and his friends change this? Well by making a movie about the only thing he did right (navy seals and Bin Laden death) and releasing it a few weeks before the election….that’s how! Revolution is what the left is after.
They may get their revolution, and wish they hadn’t. Every time they marginalize (to use their word) the majority of people in this country that still simply want to make a life for themselves with as little interaction (interference) from the government as possible, they help to arouse and motivate the “counter-revolution.”
The left wants a revolution and who didn’t know that. Just ask those folks in Arizona who are being blackmailed by Obama with his refusal to militarize the border until they go along with his under the table amnesty for illegal’s (part of Obama’s voting block).
Somebody should tell them be careful what you wish for. there is more of us than them. But they do have the government on their side at this point and maybe some in the military. Remember BO is the Commander in Chief. It would be a long hard road with a mountain of skulls at the end. I hope to GOD it never comes to pass. We must get the leftist and the far right out of our government.
Psalms 9:15 The heathen are sunk down in the pit that they made: in the net which they hid is their own foot taken. Psalms 9:16 The LORD is known by the judgment which he executeth: the wicked is snared in the work of his own hands.
If the left achieve their goal of utopia by sinking our country…..they will have a much harder time living with the “work of their hands” than we will!! We don't give up our guns.
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David Tippie • You know the old adage: when they're shooting at you, you know you're doing something right. Rep. Andre Carson (D-IN) said the Tea Party wants a return to the Jim Crow era; does he not recall that his party was the party of Jim Crow?
You and I (tea partiers-Republicans-Conservatives-having nothing to do with Democrats) want to see African-Americans "hanging on a tree--an actual happening created by Democrats." Carson knows as well as anyone else that the Tea Party is not racists, (his party is responsible for that) but he still chose that imagery, which is clearly meant to incite fear among his constituents. In just over 10 days, we've weathered a flurry of attacks from Democrats in Washington, all of which the mainstream media were more than happy to report. And that's because the goal of both the liberals in Washington and the liberals in the media is to discredit and undermine the real Tea Party movement!
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David Tippie • One of the realities and just another reason why the status quo runs from the word racism is abortions:Blacks do, indeed, have much higher rates of abortions than whites or other minority groups. In 2000, while blacks made up 17 percent of live births, they made up more than twice that share of abortions (36 percent). If those aborted children had been born, the number of blacks born would have been slightly over 50 percent greater than it was.
The comparison with whites and other minorities is striking. Whites made up 78 percent of live births, but only 57 percent of abortions. Non-black minorities had 7 percent of live births and 5 percent of abortions. If the aborted children had been born for either group, the percentage increase in the number of children born to these groups would have been less than that for blacks: 16 and 32 percent, respectively.
Data from 1973 on indicate that black women's share of abortions has consistently been at least twice their share of live births.
Stand up and state the facts: check it out yourself: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,348649,00.html
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David Tippie • Yes Joe, that is why I have been bombarded with innuendoes of my callousness at bringing up issues that affect us all. How dare me! 1 month ago
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IngoUnfollow Follow Ingo Ingo Potsch • Dear Scott: "Catch As Catch Can"; or so. Who is the target audience of Hollywood? So whom would you court if you were a Hollywood person set to make money?
Have a look at the special combinations of films, audience and political stance. See Clint Eastowwd and Arnold Schwarzenegger and then see "Avatar" and so on. It makes sense, does it not?
What I wanted to express is that the media - including entertainment - has been consistently over-rated when it comes to political influence.
The media as a whole have been considerably left of the population as a whole. And that's the case nearly anywhere; and it has been the case ever since the Second World War.
University academics and even school teachers as a group tend to be left of the mainstream and still the mainstram does not change.
Our teachers at school were mostly left and still we did not turn leftists.
Indoctrination works only to some degree and with some folks it does not work at all; rather leads to a counter reaction.
We all have eyes and ears and can see and listen and then we cane use our brains to make sense of it all.
When we see certain labour unions running amok and ruining company after company, we can understand that something is going wrong.
We have seen decades after decades of more and more welfare spending and increasing and new entitlements, ever since the Black Friday of 1929 and the "New Deal" and even earlier in some other countries and the problems did not alleviate but things got worse.
Social politicos keep on promisig that more welfare spending will make things better but they are consitently getting worse.
While, on the other hand, countries where entitlements were reduced start doing better; the more the better, with unempployment going down and GDP going up.
We all can understand that there is a difference between charity and entitlements, between helping those innocently in need of help and throwing money after constituencies.
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ScottUnfollow Follow Scott Scott Catino • @ Rafael- Great Comment
This topic is out-dated... we need to focus on electing the "Right" people this time around. Let's move on from this topic and concentrate on what we can do to ensure victory next November.
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JohnUnfollow Follow John John Oliver • Very nice, Rafael!
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • Thank you Rafael & Scott.........Ingo, I would love to discuss labour unions running amok. Now that is something that is a huge huge problem. What Is your opinion, since most of you know who I am and what my stand is on Big Labor, I won't bore you with the details.
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ScottUnfollow Follow Scott Scott Catino • @ Ingo
First of all, Schwarzenegger is a RINO, look at what he did to California.
Secondly, you can make family oriented films with good content and people will watch.
I'm not saying there shouldn't be a market for "pop" culture, of course there should, but
should we always have to watch "The Lowest Common Denominator" in our films and TV shows.
I believe there is an underlying liberal message in most media productions and I believe over time younger people and less educated people are easily influenced.. Should we not even try to produce family value films even if it isn't a blockbuster.. Should we just go along with the liberal Hollywood agenda all the time and not try to push back somewhat..
It's great to make money, but you will be judged on what you do not what you promote.
It is my belief in this dumbed-down society that the political influence of Hollywood in combination with the Liberal Media can not be under-estimated.... the only reason Obama got elected was because he was seen as a celebrity, if people were to actually research his record and his radical relationships , he would've never made it out of the
Democratic primary... And I would rather have had Hilary that Barry... although it is like picking your choice of death... by drowning or by fire
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • I think I would rather drown.... ( I was a burn nurse in my previous life) but be that as it may, labour unions anyone?????
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ScottUnfollow Follow Scott Scott Catino • @ Sue
It's funny how Big Labor makes up only 6.9% of the work force and most of which is now public sector, yet they make the most noise, cause the most harm to the actual worker and are basically political extortionists.
One example, here in Chicago we have many food deserts in our poor neighborhoods... Wal-Mart wanted to put up 2 new locations in our poorest areas... this was blocked for 2 years because the unions were against Wal-Mart... even though they wold have provided jobs for construction and new Wal-Mart employees... then Michelle O'bama forced them to have organic food in their stores stalling the project even longer... now if this isn't political extortion, I don't know what is? Wal-Mart was forced to make concessions just to the unions just to get one store up.... meanwhile... the poor communities are the hardest hit during this economy.
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JohnUnfollow Follow John John Oliver • Obama wanted a Civilian Defense Force equivalent in power with our military. Did everyone expect him to ask Congress for one? For some unknown reason, after nearly 3 years of watching his methods, people still cannot fathom the results are not on purpose. Obama is going to create his civilian force the old fashioned way; promise them booty and create an enemy that threatens to end it. Unions, "minorities", poor, uneducated, needy and so on are being given the liberal license to rage against the conservative threat. These "useful idiots" have no idea their place in the Marxist utopia is as important as the front line on a chessboard.
So Unions? Ask yourself why the AFL/CIO has a program to pay a member's mortgage payment if they are out of work or on strike (up to 1 year). There is only one "big" bank allowed to offer this for the Unions. So when you see Richard Trumpka standing next to Obama and his Chief of Staff think about how this came to be.
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Well said..... but you must look closely at not only his association with Trumpka but also Reverend Wright and William Ayers. Reverend Wrights church is part of the "Black Theological Liberation Movement" which is entrenched in Socialism and Social Justice. Anybody who believes that Obama, who was married by Rev. Wright and had his children baptized by him, was not a protege of Rev. Wright and Bill Ayers and their teachings teachings is a "useful idiot" as you assert. So when Obama declared during his campaign he wanted to "transform America" he meant it... the transformation being to be a more bastardized version of the Social European model.
Why is he having the NLRB challenge Boeing in relocating to SC.... The man is so radical when he was a State Senator for Illinois he actually voted for a bill that supported infanticide. And why Michelle Obama was in Charge of the University of Chicago, she purposely dumped patients who did not have health insurance from University of Chicago Hospitals to Cook County Hospital.
If he truly wanted to turn America around, he would've concentrated on the economy from Day1, instead he rammed ObamaCare down our throats except for exempting certain Unions and Business from that horrible piece of legislation.
@Ingo- What do you have to say about Michael Moore using a bullhorn to incite violence in the Wisconsin pro-union protest yet he never used union labor for his movies...
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JohnUnfollow Follow John John Oliver • Certainly! Reminds of the "but wait..there's more".
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • Lets not forget the incredible Andy Stern & Dennis Rivera from the SEIU, who now hold positions in the White House. 3 million members! They were out in droves campaigning.
The SEIU , alone, contributed approx 54 million dollars to the Obama campaign from union dues and borrowed from pensions.
@ Scott, that 6.7% of union members are the private sector. The public sector (government workers) are not included in that number. The fastest growing private sector is in Healthcare. The SEIU commands much of it. Craig Becker, from the NLRB, was an attorney for the SEIU.
I & another friend (who shall remain nameless) had the privelege of helping a large number of nurses at a large inter-city teaching hospital & who are part of Tenet, that have a sweet heart agreement that originated in Calif. On My own time, on my own dime, the nurses that had reached out for help, remain union free. They are called THE RAFU NETWORK. RNS AGAINST FORCED UNIONISM.
That was an awesome experience. But you see, President Obama was an organizer, that is why I always try to point that out. Its dirty politics, and because that is his experience, he commands the country in that same mentality. And now he will revert to fighting a decertification campaign.................
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I always have and will believe that nurses our the backbone of good health-care and kudos to you for helping them out.
AFSCME is on of the fastest growing public sector unions in the country... my father was a tax assessor for the county and they came after him relentlessly to join... and he refused again and again only to have one of their thugs visit him at home unexpectedly. He still refused... he was a man of great integrity and he knew their union was criminal and was not going to" donate" to their organization... just like the SEIU,Acorn, they use scare tactics to gain membership... typica.l I have met a lot of great union members but it's their leadership that is selling them out and stealing from them... I can't understand why most of these members don't see it... 95% of union funds earmarked for political "activism" goes to the Democrat party... yet a recent poll showed that 40% of union members are Republicans... Control the people, Control the power.
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • Scott, the problem may be whether you live in a "Right To Work" state or not. It maybe a condition of employment. That is why the NLRB is going after Boeing as "union busting". SC is a "RTW" state, so they DO NOT have to belong to the union in order to be employed.
Boeing #1 is in Washington, which like the northeast, a non-right-to work state.
These are reasons why there have been outsourcing.
Paterson & Newark, NJ were once the silk & textile capitols, but with so many union problems, they packed up and headed south, leaving many without jobs. Now we are left with very poor communities.
If unions were all about creating jobs, they would not be fighting with Boeing. Unions of today are all about the dues & the politics.
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ScottUnfollow Follow Scott Scott Catino • @Sue
I understand the RTW state... I just don't see why any government would stop people from being employed due to geography... jobs are jobs... Union worker shouldn't have special opportunities over non-union workers.
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • Ah, but President Obama & his administration say they have no juristiction over the National Labor Relations Board. And the NLRB is fighting very hard to get what a friend of mine calls the hallucinatic genetically manipulated Employee Free Choice Act, which would take away secret ballot elections. And Obama is pushing it, So is Hilda Soltis. Jobs are jobs, you are absolutely right........and Big Labor is corporate & goverment & communist & thieves all rolled into one big fat guy with a cigar.................
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David Tippie • I am certain that those who would rather discuss labor unions rather than the topic of this discussion can easily handle the (Post your Own discussion button) and have at it. Parts are parts and this discussion is not about that part. For the life of me I can't see why you bother to read and post here if you are so openly opposed to this discussion. 1 month ago
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David Tippie • Now: The whites that voted for Obama, which was 61% of his votes, wanted to see a change in this country. Do you think they got the change they wanted? 1 month ago
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Get over yourself.... discussions often veer off topic... I've read your posts in other discussions and they always go back to promoting your silly book. Your topic is racist so normal conservatives decided to discuss policy rather than pigment... You're just a snake oil salesman trying to pitch a book.... You have no knowledge of history... all you do is post
tired old narratives and cliches... so take your elitist attitude to a liberal/progressive group which you will be much more satisfied. You're trying to be something you're not and that is an intellectual.
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ScottUnfollow Follow Scott Scott Catino • David,
To answer your acual question, I will respond this way... People of any skin-color who are committed to OBama's Socialist/Marxist agenda are actually disappointed in him because he hasn't done more in spending and increasing tax cuts for the wealthy... Moderates of all persuasions are disappointed in him because he has failed to pivot to the center in regards to the economy i.e. create jobs instead of ramming ObamaCare down the throats of a majority of Americans who didn't want it... and conservatives of all types never were buying his populist message as a campaigner because we knew he was married to his ideology rather than governing for the good of the country... we knew he wanted to increase taxes at all levels, grow government, add more strangling regulations for business and "transform" America into a Welfare state.. So, I would say, if you look at the majority of polls... a great number of people have buyers remorse when it comes to voting for him, just for different ideological issues not skin-color... he has dropped to 87% in the African American community which is an 8% drop from his 08 numbers... he has failed everyone especially the people who thought he was a transformational figure.
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David Tippie • If there is no written proof that Obama wants to rip apart our Constitution, could all of his past performances be put into a mathematical equation and that answer be deduced? It seems likely that the one thing that he has accepted is the suggestions from our military that we must strike now, referring to the Navy Seals and the killing of Ben Laden. I don't know if it is true or not but I hear Hollywood is going to release a movie about it depicting Obama the true hero, so as to give him a leg up in the 2012 election. Humorous at the very best however not unlike his far-left buddies in Hollywood. 1 month ago
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David Tippie • President Obama, when he first announced the United States' intervention in the Libyan revolution, was assailed from all sides for his war plan. Five months ago, both Democrats and Republicans were offering up pointed criticisms for just about every aspect of Obama's decision. Whatever Obama did, there were large numbers of both Republicans and Democrats quite willing to loudly second-guess him. Including Representative Dennis Kucinich (a Democrat), who called President Obama's actions "an impeachable offense." 1 month ago
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David Tippie • This weekend, President Obama once again omitted the Declaration of Independence’s reference to the “Creator,” this time while celebrating an international sanction of the homosexual and transgender lifestyle. Ironically, in doing so, he proved the truth of the Bible. Last Friday, the UN Human Rights Council passed a resolution authored by South Africa affirming the rights of homosexuals, bisexuals, and transgender people by the narrow margin of 23-19. Later that day, Obama issued a statement declaring the vote “marks a significant milestone in the long struggle for equality, and the beginning of a universal recognition that LGBT persons are endowed with the same inalienable rights — and entitled to the same protections — as all human beings.”
Of course, the Declaration of Independence states “that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights.”
This makes at least the fifth time Obama has struck the Founders’ reference to Almighty God from the Declaration.
The statement further underscores the president’s unflagging dedication to implement the LGBT community’s agenda — especially the normalization of transgender people — through United Nations edicts and executive fiat. He appointed “Amanda” Simpson, a former test pilot who is believed to be the first transgender presidential appointee. He held the first-ever White House transgender conference in late April. This author exposed a new rule placed in the Federal Register in January by the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD), which would literally redefine the term “family” to include gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender couples. His “Safe Schools” policies, the Labor Department’s new regulations against “harassment” of transgender people, and the military’s re-education of Christian servicemen have significantly rewarded this overwhelmingly Democratic constituency. On Monday, White House spokesman Jay Carney again hinted Obama’s views on homosexual marriage were “evolving.”
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David Tippie • A new court filing that returns the issue of Barack Obama's eligibility to the U.S. Supreme Court warns that unless the judiciary makes a definitive decision in the dispute, it will be the same as allowing the political interests in the United States to amend the U.S. Constitution at will.A petition for writ of certiorari has been filed with the high court in the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals decision to uphold the dismissal of a case brought by attorney Mario Apuzzo on behalf of Charles F. Kerchner Jr., Lowell T. Patterson, Darrell James Lenormand and Donald H. Nelsen Jr.
Named as defendants are Barack Hussein Obama II, the U.S., Congress, the Senate, the House of Representatives, former Vice President Dick Cheney and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
The case alleges Congress failed to follow the Constitution, which "provides that Congress must fully qualify the candidate 'elected' by the Electoral College Electors."
Read more: Supremes get case against 'putative' President Obama http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=210521#ixzz1X8Lq5DmG
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David Tippie • Obama in September of 2001 – The US Constitution “Represents the fundamental flaw of this country that continues to this very day”**UPDATE: Video Proves Obama’s Plan for Redistribution of Wealth.Listen to this youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck&feature=player_embedded
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David Tippie • Only Fox News could possibly label President Obama’s relationships as being proof that he is a white hater and America hater click the first video: Watch the youtube: http://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?p=what+exists+that+proves+obama+hates+america
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JohnUnfollow Follow John John Oliver • Mr. Tippie,
I normally don't do this but your last post cannot be ignored.
You reached out to me privately today after another contributor in your discussion chose to go on a rant about your topic being racist. You stated you flagged his comment as inappropriate and you asked me to delete his post which I declined. I advised you to take the high road and apparently you weren't interested.
We are in a difficult situation as conservatives already and this discussion doesn't make it any easier. There is no room for deviation from a principled message and your last post proved your naysayers correct. You were better off being accused of racism than "opening your mouth" and removing all doubt.
I recommend you search for the better, more principled side of your character and follow that path because this side has no place in the Republic I'm working towards.
Your response will certainly confirm the path you choose.
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Thanks for not deleting my post. I am sorry if you felt I took the low road with Mr. Tippie's posts. However, I feel he inappropriately singled out me and other members for the discussion being directed towards unions. Mr. Tippie should feel fortunate that we raised the quality level of his topic. When a fellow member posts what I consider (as do many others) race baiting language, I feel compelled to point it out because this language is inappropriate and can only be used as fuel by the left to group us all as racists. We are trying to save our great nation, and we conservatives must call out bad language and behavior when we see it, otherwise we confirm the stereotypes of conservatives and the liberals will then continue the narrative, even though the exact opposite is true.
Mr. Tippie's last post shows his true feelings.... there is no place in this forum for such language ... He is only using this forum for his book and he often veers off topics in his own and many other discussions.
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JohnUnfollow Follow John John Oliver • Scott,
I wasn't implying you had taken the low road. I was advising Tippie to not take it.
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ScottUnfollow Follow Scott Scott Catino • I find Mr. Tippie to be offensive. I employ people of diverse backgrounds and through my bachelor days I dated women of various color... including an Egyptian Muslim woman and I married a great woman whose ancestors immigrated from Panama. I work hard everyday to unite people and educate people on the importance of American Exceptionalism.... I do not appreciate Mr. Tippie throwing flames when there is no need for it...
John, I feel it is incumbent on all of us to bust the myth of Conservatives and Republicans only being rich white businessmen/women.... Mr. Tippie's values are in direct conflict to all patriotic Americans.
I will always maintain that he is only trying to promote his own self interests when other members in here are discussing important topics in order to change the course of our country.
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JohnUnfollow Follow John John Garrett • This entire post is offensive, further reiterating some of the comments here in opposition to many of the racist views displayed. Some of the opinions expressed here are as ridiculous as some of the vicious attacks most recently, by Jimmy Hoffa, on the Tea Party and Conservatives in general. We can agree or disagree on the issues as a matter of principle, however do so "respectfully". There is/are good and bad in every race… Obama is bad for our country due to his policies, not his ethnicity. Show me a candidate who is a strict constitutionalist, truly believes in smaller government and elimination of wasteful spending & departments, empowering businesses and people to achieve the American dream, strong supporter of our military, belief in appropriate social safety nets without creating a "nation of dependence (or addicts)", appropriate healthcare reform, more specifically starting with Tort reform–getting these vicious, self absorbed, lawyers out of the system… I could go on, however if such a candidate emerged, whether it be an African-American, Woman, Hispanic, etc., I would support such a candidate quite easily...
That said, what is truly unfortunate is the fact that we all, including myself, contribute to this ridiculous post, which I'm sure Mr. Tippie finds quite amusing…
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David Tippie • John an associate of mine Dr. Rosenthal, read some of the slanderous remarks by the two irrelevant people who continue to throw tantrums on this posting and suggested that I post the email she had received from one of her friends. She said give the children something to ruffle their feathers, it’s quite like sitting in a restaurant and having to put up with obnoxious children that have irresponsible parents. By the way, it makes no difference to me, but I know you will want to know her color---yep black. As I am typing this my accountant is sitting here laughing---and yes he is that evil color black as well. He just told me to tell the little people that are always trying to call someone a racist--means that you might should look in the mirror--the problem may be right before your eyes. Now I am giving my accountant an ada-boy for that. Wait--- He just said---You callin me Boy--now he is laughing his backside off. John I have read your comments on various postings and you are the only one who I will address, certainly not the irrelevant duo. You made the comment once to a person that jumped on you for an earlier statement which you had posted; you told him that he had posted a comment where he talked about that people should lighten up and you said to him, obviously you did not mean that to be you.
So John, now that I have learned private conversations with you, simply means the same as posting it right here is why I am doing this, now please don't anyone else read it. I have removed Dr. Rosenthal’s email to me, as funny as it is, so as not to offend you, to h _ _ _ with the irrelevant. On behalf of my associate and my accountant, I share their words to only you John--because you are the only relevant person taking offense-now--LIGHTEN UP will you?
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David Tippie • By the way John Oliver, I know you understand you were the John I was speaking to. 1 month ago
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • @ John. Mr. Tippie needs his wings clipped.
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JohnUnfollow Follow John John Garrett • "So John, I have learned that private conversations with you, simply means the same as posting it right here, so that is why I am"??? David, we have never collaborated previously by post or in private, and for that matter, I really do understand most of your comments, some of which I would only assume are likely made up remarks by fictitious individuals only to try to strengthen whatever point you're trying to make, which brings me back to my original comment… What is your point? There have been quite a few individuals from what I have seen within the post string that have taken offense to both you, your arrogance, and viewpoints. I do not know you, nor have I singled you out, with the exception of noting that you more than likely find "the attention" quite amusing…You will want to naturally have the last word, and please by all means take it… I'm sitting here next to my good friends Dr. James, Dr. Earl, Dr. Rosen, and Dr. Kirk, and they are telling me to no longer follow your posts nor waste any additional time in comment, especially with yourself, for what ever reason… I think they're being rather rude, however I am going to heed their advice. So… your remarks will not be read, and I wish you all the best in future in endeavors!!
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David Tippie • John Garrett your last remark is the only one that makes sense (to no longer follow your posts) and you are correct, we have never exchanged anything--so clever of you to pick up on that since I posted: By the way John Oliver, I know you understand you were the John I was speaking to. 1 month ago
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David Tippie • I wish Lee Birkhead would come back, this is his earlier comment above• That Sue Allen is a piece of work. She is actually the epitome of our warfare! Typical meaningless, unobjective, brainless liberal. How do you get them to shut up? That Lee is a true patriot.
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ScottUnfollow Follow Scott Scott Catino • @ David
Who are you to define what a true patriot is? Sue is a smart, pragmatic, insightful person. These are qualities you will never be able to possess because of your myopic narcissism.
Sue has amazing talent and she is a self-reliant mother of two, so show respect to her and the rest of the people in this group.
I am pro-life, however I would have advised your mother to exercise her freedom to choose.
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • @ David............my 1st amendment rights???????????? so you can't shut me up. Calling me a dominatrix? wow, opening yourself for a law suit.
and Lee Birdhead that sent me private harrassing messages??
Thats so very cool. Tell me something, are you really just SEIU organizers????
So, David, let me say this to you...you come right out of the "Rules for Radicals", divide & conquer.
Patriot, my Lord, if you both think you are true patriots you need to stop drinking the koolaid, your only intent here is to cause anger, promote your book, and unintentionally prove that you are from the "dark side", because with all of your intelligience, you lack one thing, integrity. You are the problem.
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JohnUnfollow Follow John John Oliver • Mr. Tippie,
My first comment in this discussion said the following: “You are an enigma. You can provide solid commentary on any number of topics but when you discuss Obama it's like a full moon to a werewolf. You just can't control yourself. Since you haven't commented further I suspect you’re on vacation or just waiting on another full moon.” You are no longer an enigma and sadly I should have trusted my instincts about you 2 years ago. It was I believe your Impeach discussion that was our first interaction. I watched then how your obsession would not allow you to accept contrary points of view. I felt at the time your interest was not driven just by Obama’s lack of constitutional qualifications and this latest initiative has certainly confirmed for me your motivated by a much darker side than you will be willing to admit.
I find it sadly pathetic that someone that has professed a strong desire to become a candidate for President would demonstrate such a lack of judgment with this discussion. The fact you did not consider your discussion offensive when others had made plenty of reasonable points to the contrary really has closed the case for me. At this point I don’t care who your friends are. I don’t care if you like to tell jokes or if you have turned over a new leaf. It may mean nothing to you or anyone else but you have lost all credibility with me. We are in a struggle to save this Republic and I don’t have time to slop around in your sty. If you have no desire to respect your fellow members here then you’re no member, no author and certainly no candidate I will be following.
No reply necessary.
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David Tippie • Well of course a reply is needed John even if you say there is none required and that is your integrity is as I suspected. Why have you not spent this amount of time in other posts which I have placed my comments on John? Is it the type of people contributing that keeps you from doing so? What burdens that you bare are of no concern to me and to what degree you smear my name will be for credible people to judge, I could care less. I always consider the source. Everyone can take notice that I have shown you respect in each of your rants. It has not gone without notice that you quickly chime in to side with those who suffer cross purposes with me and yes I do recall your rants in the previous discussion you mentioned and did take your word after that it was a thing of the past. Suffering as you seem to be at this point with your own character I am not anxious to poor more fuel on your ranting fire, so I will say that you and I still have disagreements, but who brings this lowering of your credibility on more than yourself? 1 month ago
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • David, you have some real serious problems which are evident in your posts. Like John Oliver, we have had very big differences on another subject that as John so eloquently puts it,
you become obsessed with and do not allow for contrary views.
I also note that in many of your responses you parrot, I said you lack integrity. You respect no one, you insult, you demean, and you take no responsibility for your own idiotic statements.
Run for President?????????? No one here suffers as you do, you are delusional. Seek some help, David, seriously, before you hurt yourself even more than you already have.
Cease & desist. Resist from any further comments. I feel very sorry for you.
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David Tippie • You mean like your constant contrary view Sue---STOP this now, I believe is your contrary view. Look in the mirror when you are doing that feeling sorry thing. You are the person making you look bad and only you can control that.
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George Somaru • I will be happy to review flags but not 18 at a time. I'm clearing them for now. Find one each and try again. Give me a break.
I will delete foul language, personal insults, spam, excessive posts that just flood the discussion, rascist remarks, (help me if I missed something) etc.
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • Buzz off David, best advice you will get.
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David Tippie • It's obvious that the left is dedicated to painting the Tea Party as radicals, racists, and public enemy #1. They won't stop until we've been marginalized to the extent that they'll be able to ram their big-government agenda down the throat of the American public! 29 days ago
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Daniel Duckworth • Some times the answer to the question is so obvious that you can't see it. White Americans voted for a black man because the person the republicans put up as a candidate was completely unacceptable to most Americans.John McCain was the worst candidate we could have nominated. People were also tired of the status quo H.R.C. represented. That's it. No subconscious white guilt. People just said "why not? Let's give him a chance". He was in the right place at the right time.
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David Tippie • A meaningful question Joe, why did the dems put him in over Hillary? Had not given that enough thought. There are many reasons why whites voted for the first black man to become president I can't slight any that have been presented, but because Daniel you may not have personally voted for him for the same reason someone else did, doesn't mean, that someone else did not have a different reason.
You talk about McCain being a bad choice, well 77% of the people today, after the fact, sees the Obama choice as a bad one.
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David Tippie • Joe I asked your question to a yahoo answers group and got the following answers: My question was: Given that Obama is among the least experienced presidents to ever be elected why did the democrats pick Obama over Hillary and here are the answers:
Someone said: And by the way, I know the voters put Obama in office, but Kennedy and high profile senators were the ones who convinced him to run so early. Harry Reid had a lot to do with it.
Someone said: Did they just figure he'd be a home run just by being the first black president? Did they really believe he was the most qualified to run the country? Or just the most electable one?
Someone said: Did America chose the candidate with the most endorsements and the most campaign money behind him.
Someone said: By the way, 90% of blacks voted for Obama. 90% of them did not vote for Clinton.
Someone said: How about this one: Hillary is kind of a b*tch and people knew she was unelectable and hated her for her Iraq vote. We liked Obama's ideals regardless of his experience.
Someone said: Because 60% of the people who actually liked Hillary said they would not vote for her.
Someone said: What a choice, a steaming pile of dog sh/t or a steaming pile of cat sh/t. Who knows what loony liberals think!
Someone said: They thought it would be more cool to have a black man president than a white woman.
Someone said: The Democrats needed their first token black, and they got one, an inexperienced Mulatto Marxist.
What do you think?
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David Tippie • Another group was asked this question" Why did the elite of the Democratic Party pick Obama?
It sure wasn’t because he had the experience, first term Senator.
It sure wasn’t because he doesn’t have skeletons; his whole life is shrouded in lies.
It sure wasn’t because he has an ability to speak, he mumbles without a teleprompter.
It sure wasn’t because he has new ideas; his ideas are warmed over failed Jimmy Carter ideas or USSR circa 1980.
It sure wasn’t because he was the people’s choice; the press has jammed him down our throat and given him every break possible.
Every thing about this man throws up a red flag, so why?
The most important question of the election is “Who is pulling his strings?”
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • Big labor.
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GregUnfollow Follow Greg Greg Lumley • Seems like that half of the country that spend to impress. but bitch about the bill when they get home.
Big La-BOR is a turd that will not flush
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David Tippie • You know Hillary is part of the Bilderberg Group, the tip of that elitist sword. Do you think in her powwow with them, that they determined it would be Obama in place of her? 29 days ago
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • What difference does that make ? We are in dire straits, the past is the past. Move past it.
Trumka & Stern are out there making alot of noise. Stern is a self-anionted communist.
He is priming himself to run for public office. Does no one get that?
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David Tippie • The Bilderberg Group influences our lives every day behind the scenes. Investigative journalist Daniel Estulin, who's been researching the Bilderberg Group for more than 14 years, discussed the far-reaching influence the group wields in domestic and world affairs. Describing them as an "aristocracy of purpose," the 130 or so individuals gather for a private meeting held once a year and hail mostly from the United States and Europe (a list of the attendees at the 2007 meeting held in Istanbul. That is creepy, to have a behind the scenes puppet masters for American politicians to have met in Istanbul. The Bilderbergers decide jointly on the best way to deal with the resources of the planet, and exert control over energy and money supplies. Ultimately, the Bilderbergers seek to destroy the US and world economies, so they can consolidate power and control, said Estulin.
He also spoke about a plan backed by the Bilderbergers to reduce the planet's population. He also noted that the "globalists" engineered the drop of the US dollar.
Well Hillary was not picked by this group, of which she is a member so even a more demonic demise of this country could be assembled with a teleprompter reading puppet.
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DanielUnfollow Follow Daniel Daniel Duckworth • Sounds like the makings of a great movie.
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David Tippie • Hopefully a truer and better movie than Hollywood insiders are reported to be making about Obama being the true hero in the Osama bin laden killing, to be released just before the 2012 election. 29 days ago
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David Tippie • WASHINGTON (CNN) - The Rev. Jesse Jackson sharply criticized Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama Tuesday over his reaction to the arrest of six black juveniles in Jena, Louisiana on murder charges, accusing the Illinois senator of "acting like he's white," according to a South Carolina newspaper.How can we stop the racist mongers like the Jesse Jacksons and the Al Sharptons of the world who make their living off the backs of their fellow blacks by spewing vileness such as this?
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/09/19/jessie-jackson-obamas-acting-like-hes-white/
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David Tippie • Most people in the US are not racist,had nothing to do with the race problems of 50 & 60s or earlier and those who did, have moved on and learned of their errors, yet Reid put this Senator,now President down for "not being too black, or using "Negro Dialect" and because they want his vote none of the liberal media say that is racist? Had anyone like,(Palin,Beck, any other republican senator--and so on) said this very same thing and it would have been media war from the liberals. IT WAS A RACIST thing to say! 26 days ago
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • And you still say that this is not a racist discussion... hence the title. Aren't you bored with this yet? I don't get it.
May we remember the people that lost their lives on 9/11, 10 years later.
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David Tippie • Who understands that it was the democrats who were the Jim Crow world and democrats are the biggest perpetrators of calling others racist? 25 days ago
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Morris Gosa, LC • WOW! What a discussion- most of which has nothing to do with the question posed. I got to scanning through the comments and noticed that the racism was white- not black. There were also a few comments about what Martin Luther King would do if he had lived and why didn’t Al Sharpton get support? Probably for the same reason Jesse Jackson got no support. Race was their only card. Obama was socialist and had an agenda. Of course most of the comments had to do with why people voted for such a bad president. Of course, 20-20 hindsight is always best.
How about a southern view point? I did not see many outside of Texas and Arkansas.
I grew up in Georgia in the 60’s. I was there for integration in my school. I was there to hear Martin Luther King. I was there to hear the nation call us the racists left over from the Civil War.
I also remember that Watts, Newark, Detroit, Miami, and other northern cities (Yes, Miami is a northern run city) erupted in violence in Kings’ assassination. Atlanta had peace. I watched the coverage from my home in North Georgia and saw an out poring of gratitude and reverence for non-violence.
I also remember the riot of Irish-Catholics in Boston during the 70’s when integration was tried there. I guess the Kennedy’s were not that keen on integration there?
Someone asked how would King vote today? I do not know. Only his maker knows.
Obama got 98% of the black vote in the metropolitan areas of Georgia. Was that a black racist vote?
If anybody remembers, we had a dead heat in the U. S. Senate race in 2008, Senator Saxby Chambliss against Democrat Joe Martin. McCain took the state by a slim margin. The runoff for the Senate was trumped up by the republicans as the first shot fired in the 2010 election.
Joe Martin was handedly trounced, Obama did not show up, and that huge black metropolitan vote did not show up either.
White America voted for Obama for the same reason they voted for Jimmy Carter in 76 and Clinton in 92- they just wanted someone else.
But probably the biggest reason they voted for Obama was because Oprah loved him!
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • @Morris, good answer, because Oprah loved him!!!!!!!!!!!!! But truly , they wanted someone different, if he was green it would not have mattered.
now that should satisfy David & stop this insane one way discussion.
Now, I can't unfollow no matter how may times I try, then my curiosity gets the best of me, but I can push that delete button............I will try my best.
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David Tippie • Miami, and other northern cities Morris that fits. I like everything you said but this intrigued me most. Do you think the reason Miami is a northern city due to the influx of New Yorkers of the past many years? 25 days ago
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DanielUnfollow Follow Daniel Daniel Duckworth • Dave, if you re-read Morris' comment you'll see he says that Miami is a "northern run" city. Miami (and Boca and West Palm Beach and Tampa) has always been run by New York, Chicago and Detroit.
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MorrisUnfollow Follow Morris Morris Gosa, LC • Gentlemen, you both are right. Dade and Broward counties can be as mischievous as Tammany Hall! All you have to do is try and count a few hanging chads! Both counties are full of retirees from the rust belt. Northern Florida usually votes republican and South Florida usually goes democrat- I think from both the influx of northerners and the influx of Hispanics. I guess North Florida gets us “Red necks” out of Georgia and Alabama.
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David Tippie • Interesting thought process Morris. I think all remember the hanging chad syndrome in a past election. Democrats and republicans see things differently because of the way each are predisposed to interpret the world. Helping that thought process along would be to research Argentina. A hundred years after it was the richest economy in the world, it is a poverty-stricken country that never left the depression it created. 25 days ago
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David Tippie • The American Democratic Party’s populist agenda, not the least of which is to grow government cannot possibly work, because government bankrupts everything it touches. The republican right Patriotism platform does not jump out as a job creator, food provider, healthcare provider or home provider. And I think that is where we have done a lousy job in the explanation of Patriotism as well as to explain free enterprise.
Democrats and republicans see things differently because of the way each are predisposed to interpret the world. Helping that thought process along would be to research Argentina. In the early 20th century Argentina was one of the richest countries in the world and the United States challenged Argentina for the position of the world’s second-most powerful economy. Like the United States Argentina had abundant agriculture with vast farmland and accessible ports. Argentina’s level of industrialization was higher than many European countries; railroads, automobiles, and telephones.
In 1916, Argentina elected a new president, Hipolito Irigoyen from a new party called “The Radicals” under the banner of “Fundamental Change”, which appealed to the middle class. Among the newly elected Argentine president Irigoyen’s changes were: mandatory pension insurance, mandatory health insurance, and support for low-income housing construction to stimulate the economy. Put simply the state assumed economic control and began assessing new payroll taxes and taxes on the wealthy to fund its endeavors. The handout mentality attracted the farm workers to unionize which lead to a large reduction in beef and wheat production.
With an increasing flow of tax funds into the government entitlement programs, which were growing as well as the size and scope of government, the government became overwhelmed. Before long government outlays surpassed the value of all taxpayers’ contributions due to business leaving Argentina at warp speed. At that point back in history, Argentina was just like America is today with all of the union entitlements as well as all of the other enormous government growth and added scope as well as government entitlement programs which are about to crash.
You might say the final nail in the coffin for Argentine economy came with the election of Juan Peron with his wife Eva, with their populist rhetoric of taxing the nation’s rich. Inflation and higher and higher taxes forced on business created hyperinflation in 1989, the final stage of the process characterized the “industrial protectionism, redistribution of income based on encouraging the growth and control of unions and a growing intervention from government in the economy and growing the size and scope of government.
The Argentinean government’s practice of printing money to pay off its public debts had crushed the economy. Inflation hit three thousand percent, food riots were rampant, stores were looted and the country descended into chaos. By 1994, Argentina’s public pensions, the equivalent of Social Security had imploded. Twenty six percent payroll tax was not even near enough so value added tax and new personal income taxes rose and an revised added tax of the wealthy determined by the government as needing to be taxed still at an even higher rate was added. All these crushed the private sector. When Argentina’s government defaulted on bonds, it raided pension funds and the economy was worse than the American great depression. Now a hundred years after it was the richest economy in the world, it is a poverty-stricken country that never left the depression it created.
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MorrisUnfollow Follow Morris Morris Gosa, LC • David. Let me see. Why did whites vote for a black? Argentina?
You have a great idea for an all new discussion. Why not talk about economies and countries that have failed due to socialist policies? Start with 19th century Victorian England and the free enterprise system as compared to 20th century England and socialism. What about China and Mao and post Maoist China and the addition of free enterprise? What about Germany between the wars and now? I am sure the membership of the group can come up with numerous other cases of bad economic choices.
I probably have missed something in my research but the best I find for Argentina is 1913 when they reached 80% of the U.S. per capita income. That made them 10th on the list. Not bad for a Latin American country. Yes, they went down from there after European immigration subsided and English capital dried up.
I do not think a Latin American country has anything to do with white people voting for a black!
Move this discussion to a new thread so people can interact with the politics and the issues of 2012.
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I turned my back on him that day…
I would have forgotten about it and moved on. And sometimes wish I could! It’s just that I am a veteran, and call it like I see it. This big mouth of mine has brought the Obama Administration to my front door, literally…
From following me, photographing me (harassment) and retracting my veterans’ benefits… Government Run Health Care!
Neither did I vote for Bill Clinton, but he didn’t send spooks after me…go figure!
It's like a local police officer told me. He said, "You must be somebody special. Their spending thousand monthly to contract spooks, they don't work cheap!" My reply, "Yes, and they have been doing this for years. If I was breaking any laws, they would have gotten me arrested!" He agreed...
Why did whites vote for a black?
Who cares? Maybe they’re like me, color blind…defiantly color blind when it comes to a beautiful woman. Hello Good Looking…can’t wait for the next Miss Universe Beauty Contest!
I just hope and pray he doesn't get voted in for another four years. Too many people are getting rich writing books about him...connect the dots on that one! They’re going to be sorry to see him go!
God Bless America, please! Amen…
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David Tippie • Morris you said: I do not think a Latin American country has anything to do with white people voting for a black! It tells me you probably scanned the Argentina post too quickly. I was certain that most would see the relationship as to what happened in Argentina and easily equate it to our Obummer administration. So let me pull some high points to help stimulate the thought process.
Argentina’s level of industrialization was higher than many European countries; railroads, automobiles, and telephones in the beginning.
In 1916, Argentina elected a new president, Hipolito Irigoyen from a new party called “The Radicals” under the banner of “Fundamental Change”, which appealed to the middle class. Can you visualize Obummer here? Then: Put simply the state assumed economic control (visualize huge government growth and handout programs) then try to visualize Obummer.
Then: The handout mentality attracted the farm workers to unionize which lead to a large reduction in beef and wheat production. Here, begin to envision companies leaving and hyperinflation and then: visualize Obummer.
Then: Before long, government outlays surpassed the value of all taxpayers’ contributions due to business leaving Argentina at warp speed--(no stretch to see the big O here)
I did attempt to sum it up: Argentina was just like America is today with all of the union entitlements as well as all of the other enormous government growth and added scope as well as government entitlement programs which are about to crash (but you decide)
Then I said: The Argentinean government’s practice of printing money to pay off its public debts had crushed the economy. Inflation hit three thousand percent, food riots were rampant, stores were looted and the country descended into chaos. By 1994, Argentina’s public pensions, the equivalent of Social Security had imploded. (Perhaps this is more in our future--who knows how far--however)
So that about wraps it up Morris. Can you begin to see what a Latin American country has got to do with white people voting for a black--green--blue or anything else that has exposed Obummer's hope and change to our detriment? And my every point in this post is: Those that voted for Obummer, may have different reasons---but how is the community organizer working out for you now--sport?
No matter what my comparisons are, each are intended to emphasize the obvious destruction of our country by this Radical in the Whitehouse. Every person who chooses to label this discussion as simply racist---is on the other side. The race card has expired on this post and all across America and the liberals who disguise themselves as conservatives and play like children with Looney statements to bait and disrupt this discussion, they are recognized and are irrelevant and are treated as such. Do you talk with the kids belonging to others who are acting up in the restaurant that you are having your meal in? No certainly not. You continue your conversations with the intelligent people you are dining with.
We have concerned and educated people who understand these issues, and that certainly includes you who truly want Obummer to be a one termer. Please review what I have posted and give me your opinion.
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Denise Simmons • David Tippie makes great points. You hit the nail on the head in your posts. Have you seen any of the videos from runawayslave on youtube? Anyone who has not seen them should check him out. And this pastor is being called a racist. Another pastor who has been called a racist because of his beliefs is Dr. Manning and he has a ton of videos on youtube as well. He is a wonderful patriot and a delight to speak with! They both speak of the same mindset you speak of in your initial post. You are absolutely right and more people will begin to see it with so many willing to talk about this very subject. We have been programmed because we are livestock. The government does not care what color skin we have with regards to the application of oppression, we essentially all suffer the same "colorless" fate... modern slavery. As an example, the working class is slave to tax burden and the entitlement class is slave to oppression by glass ceiling. Either way we are all screwed in the current UNCONSTITUTIONAL system. Well this few handfuls of people have to control the masses to keep their unconstitutional and corrupt freedom and resource robbing system in place. One of the many ways they utilize to accomplish this task is to throw around "racism rhetoric" because if they keep us bickering with each other we cannot unite and become free of their unconstitutional governing policies. Traitors to humanity and the United States are intentionally trying to incite a race war among their livestock... We the People. This is how political correctness is killing our rights and freedoms. So there is a need for these types of honest and open conversations. David I applaud you for having the courage to say the things that need to be heard out loud. You are absolutely right and that is not racist. Ask Senator Allen West, he has expressed a similar view. He has also been called a racist for speaking the truth on what should no longer be an off limits topic. We are not responsible for the sins of past generations and should not be held accountable for them either.
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Well said.... I believe people like Cain,West, Rubio, and Haley can only help move the discussion on race forward to where it is not the solely owned political narrative of the Democrat party. I agree in fact, the bigger the government grows, the more we all become
enslaved. The Leftist Ideology is to indoctrinate people into an entitlement mindset so they can control their power-base by getting their votes. This is all about class war-fare that is needed by the left because they have a failed president and failed social policies.
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MorrisUnfollow Follow Morris Morris Gosa, LC • David- “but how is the community organizer working out for you now- sport?” Where does that come from? I do not think I have defended the present administration in any of my posts since I joined the group. But, some people say things just to keep the discussion lively. You are one of those.
When WWI hit, Argentina lost its European support and by 1916, when your man Hipolito was elected the economy was in the tank. They have made bad choices ever since- just as you so aptly chronicled. But you compared the failures of the next 8 Argentine decades to the Obama administration. What does hind-site have to do with white people voting for a black- or any other democrat socialist for that matter in 2008? As I have said on other threads, I would vote for Ron Paul but, unfortunately, the country would not in 2008. Maybe 2012!
I would question using a Latin-American country as a true comparison to our country’s circumstances. Protestants and Catholics view things differently. Thomas Jefferson wrote to John Adams in May of 1818 with the following quote; “They will succeed against Spain. But the dangerous enemy is within their breasts. Ignorance and superstition will chain their minds and bodies under religious and military despotism.” Almost 20 decades ago, Jefferson hit the nail on the head.
If racism is expired in this post then open a new post dealing with failed economies as I mentioned in my previous post. That way you do not rely on 20-20 hind-site when 2012 rolls around.
Hay- I see where you are a second connection to me. I have not researched who the first is. Look me up and connect. “Keep your friends close- Keep your enemies closer!”
And, by the way, were you thinking of Argentina in 2008 before going to the polls- sport?
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • @Denise, I have just read your website, done very well. My congrats to you. I would like to agree to disagree with you on the subject matter of this discussion.
It was not well engineered and is an instigating topic. Calling out others to start a discussion that has no merit is unneccesary, given the format presented. My opinion only, but to say that people who fear this topic are racist is a foolish comment, which most of this thread has been.
I am sticking to my opinion, as I own my opinion.
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David Tippie • Morris that is a famous saying from Dr. Phil, it has no bearing on you. I know you do not defend the Obummer. You need not reduce your obvious intelligence with language like my man Hipolito was elected the economy was in the tank. You said: I would question using a Latin-American country as a true comparison to our country’s circumstances. OK that is your opinion and I can respect that.
You said: If racism is expired in this post then open a new post dealing with failed economies. Morris racism has never been part of this discussion. The word was hurled into the post by little minded people who are bent on disruption and those who are intelligent do not pay any attention to the irrelevant who simply join discussion to try and disrupt.
You said: “Keep your friends close- Keep your (sp) enemy’s closer!” connect with me. I have had you pegged for much more than that statement reveals; ergo I will not comment further.
Moving on to important issues:
Free will of the populist is rented with entitlement programs. 50% of the populist pays no taxes. 48% live off welfare programs, food stamps & housing subsidies yet they are the first to side with their politicians that the wealthy need to pay more taxes. Unions went from 40 or 50 percentile to about 12 percent and still have a major influence (even to the point of being illegal) on the far left; few have contributed more to jobs leaving this country than unions . Politicians are constantly being found to have stolen from the people in one way or another. Politicians have proven that there is no morals they should attain to, as seen by the standing ovation that Charlie Rangel got from his fellow politicians, when he admitted doing wrong, but when he said politics was involved, everyone stood and applauded him. Bringing tax payer money home to your district is simply theft, pure and simple and still goes on in public view daily. There are no moral standards as shown by politicians who get caught, fathering children outside of a marriage or to simply use their clout to have sex with interns and such. But mainly they say anything to get elected. They will use any-card, including the race-card--which has expired years earlier and is only kept in circulation by race mongers and those see an opportunity to disrupt a discussion.
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • "Why did White Americans vote for a Black?" No one that agreed with this as sounding racist, crossing boundaries, and stirring the pot ever came on here to post their opinions, came to be disruptive. You know better than that, David.
Opening a new post for failed economies is a good direction to go in rather than insist on being right is a good suggestion. Tart words make no friends; a spoonful of honey catches more flies............
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Denise Simmons • Sue it takes courage to have the spine to discuss tough topics. It is apparent you've not yet matured enough to acknowledge that truth. Just keep in mind that an unwillingness to discuss such an obvious problem means you may be a participant to the problem through perpetuation by keeping your head buried in the sand. How is that helpful? If you do not like the topic, please make the nearest convenient exit so the rest of us can come up with solutions without the childish rhetoric. Peace & May God Bless you with enlightenment.
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Denise Simmons • Why sugarcoat the truth? It only changes the flavor. Seriously, rather than getting hung up on the title take a good hard look at the content. It makes perfect sense. Don't judge a book by its cover, and all that jazz.
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Denise Simmons • Break free of the confines of the progressives "allowable conversations box" and you become free! Suddenly there are no topics off limits.
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • @Denise.........a solution to what? Have you seriously read through this whole discussion, darlin? Please spare me about having a spine, and all of your other....all that jazz.
I gave to you, my opinion. The title speaks for itself, and you, my dear, have alot to learn. That is what propaganda is all about, because in most cases, that's all anyone reads. Didn't anyone ever teach you the game "telephone"? And this whole discussion has been to promote a book.
That is what sells.......... Don't tell me you have never picked up some Inquiring minds want to know literature because of a sensational title, or just moved on, but you remembered that title Its attention getting, nothing more, nothing less. So maybe you should change the color of the koolaid you are drinking.
May God Bless you, also, and remember this,words make more wounds than any surgeon can ever heal.
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David Tippie • Denise I have followed your work and find your thought process magnificent and do want to continue that eloquent piece you put together on Obama being the traitor that he is. I myself have a blog on his impeachment and I have a LinkedIn group The Political Conservative Objective that I also discuss the reasons that it is not probable that he will be impeached, due to the powers that be in congress but I suggested removal by use of the TORT laws, which are civil and make more sense; because they bi-passes congress. What are your thoughts? 22 days ago
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • You & Denise can write a book together............"Eloquence in Politics".............I like it. Its a catchy TITLE.
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David Tippie • Roy Burgess with all that you have been put through it has naturally made you a strong person. I had forgotten about the statement Obummer made in 2007, which you pointed out: “Oh, and did I tell you. I’m black; you have to vote for me!” I wish I had thought of it before I was finished editing my book. That statement from him should live on in infamy.
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David Tippie • Roy, your post reminded me of this about Obummer: One must never underestimate the manipulative genius of pathological narcissists. They project such an imposing personality that it overwhelms those around them. Charmed by the charisma of the narcissist, people become like clay in his hands. They cheerfully do his bidding and delight to be at his service. The narcissist shapes the world around himself and reduces others in his own inverted image. He creates a cult of personality. His admirers become his co-dependents.
Narcissists have no interest in things that do not help them to reach their personal objective. They are focused on one thing alone and that is power. All other issues are meaningless to them and they do not want to waste their precious time on trivialities. Anything that does not help them is beneath them and does not deserve their attention.
If an issue raised in the Senate does not help Obama in one way or another, he has no interest in it. The "present" vote is a safe vote. No one can criticize him if things go wrong. Those issues are unworthy by their very nature because they are not about him.
Obama's election as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review led to a contract and advance to write a book about race relations.
The University of Chicago Law School provided him a lot longer than expected and at the end it evolved into, guess what? His own autobiography! Instead of writing a scholarly paper focusing on race relations, for which he had been paid, Obama could not resist writing about his most sublime self. He entitled the book Dreams from My Father.
Not surprisingly, Adolph Hitler also wrote his own autobiography when he was still a nobody. So did Stalin. For a narcissist no subject is as important as his own self. Why would he waste his precious time and genius writing about insignificant things when he can write about such an august being as himself?
Narcissists are often callous and even ruthless. As the norm, they lack conscience. This is evident from Obama's lack of interest in his own brother who lives on only one dollar per month. A man who lives in luxury, who takes a private jet to vacation in Hawaii, and who raised nearly half a billion dollars for his campaign (something unprecedented in history) has no interest in the plight of his own brother. Why? Because his brother cannot be used for his ascent to power. A narcissist cares for no one but himself.
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RoyUnfollow Follow Roy Roy Burgess • Thanks David! You might be able to get the statement “Oh, and did I tell you. I’m black; you have to vote for me!” into a kindle addition of your book... Amazon let's you update the file anytime needed, inside your authors' kindle account...
But go slow, LOL, the first time I uploaded a book file into my kindle account. I had to open it in kindle, and check it page by page. Going back into my file on my computer and making the changes there. Then re-upload it and checking the pages one by one again. By the time I got it right, I had dark circles under my eyes...took me days to finish!
Narcissists, hahaha, what an Obummer!
As you know, I’m in the Philippines; my son is going to the University of Saint Louis here, working toward his degree in Philosophy. I can’t stand being far from him…so I’m hanging around.
I’m just getting up for the day, still drinking my morning coffee. Only yesterday, while riding in a taxi, the driver and I struck up a conversation. Just cutting the bull…then he said, “If you don’t vote for Obama, you’re a racist!”
That jerk, I didn’t give him a tip…when he complained, I explained, LOL…
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David Tippie • A lot of people presume a lot of things about the Constitution. Some are true, some are not. Have you ever heard someone say, "That's unconstitutional!" or "That's my constitutional right!" and wondered if they were right? The sorriest day in the lives of all Americans was when (we the people) let the powers that be-- take the study of our Constitution out of our schools and the next worst thing, was to have Obummer occupy the Whitehouse. He likes to fly Air Force 1- and go on vacations, but as I stated above, he could care less about his brother living in filth. 22 days ago
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RoyUnfollow Follow Roy Roy Burgess • Going on vacation!
I remember back during the Gulf War, some time in Nov 1990. While sitting down in my Fox Hole, a comrade in arms walks up and sits down a few feet from me. We were listening to Radio Free Europe. President Bush was playing golf, and he complained about the president going on vacation while we put our lives on the line...
That kind of thing, turned many troops against President Bush, and at what cost! He lost his re-election, remember! Will history repeat itself? Hope so, in this case...
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DanielUnfollow Follow Daniel Daniel Duckworth • Yes...well....I think you are just preaching to the choir. Just about everybody reading and responding to this thread is in agreement. President Obama is a bad president and quite possibly a worse human being. Opinions will vary only as to the degree. The question is: How do you propose removing him from office. Impeachment (and then removal) is not a viable option. What is the next plan? We need to mobilize for solutions. We've all been complaining about him long enough (well.....maybe it will never be long enough after the harm he has done).
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RoyUnfollow Follow Roy Roy Burgess • Your right Daniel, we all know it! "Just about everybody reading and responding to this thread is in agreement."
"We've all been complaining about him long enough (well.....maybe it will never be long enough after the harm he has done)," good one!
"Maybe impeachment (and then removal) is not a viable option," still though Daniel, it's nice to be among like minded individual's like yourself.
"What is the next plan?" Maybe we need a Plan B, as he can be re-elected, and that's very spooky...
If he is re-elected, what are you prepared to do? I have given it much thought...and still thinking it over!
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RoyUnfollow Follow Roy Roy Burgess • Maybe we should take matters into our own hands, put together a think tank, creating jobs nation wide...as Uncle Obummer and his administration obviously don't know how!
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DanielUnfollow Follow Daniel Daniel Duckworth • Well, that is the scary proposition. We all know the fickle nature (and general lack of attention) of the voting public.As absolutely abysmal as he is he still has a very real prospect of being re-elected.
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DanielUnfollow Follow Daniel Daniel Duckworth • You know Roy. There are actually many people/groups out there ready to do just that. The problem is the road blocks these people are putting up. Look, where's Warren Buffett? Other than making a killing on his "BofA bailout". Where is G.E.? Where is Gates? Big, nig donors and don't trust him either.
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David Tippie • There are the Tort laws that are civil and do not involve his cronies in congress, which could be used. When the right group comes together that can gather the donations to employ the right attorneys then there is a way that this group of private individuals can force elected officials to be accountable for their actions and it is called TORT laws, which I write about in my book President 2012, Patriot or Puppet for billionaires.
Tort Act. "In the United States, the federal government has sovereign immunity and may not be sued by citizens unless it has waived its immunity or consented to suit. The United States has waived sovereign immunity to a limited extent, mainly through the Federal Tort Claims Act, which waives the immunity if a tortious act of a federal employee who causes damage, and the Tucker Act, which waives the immunity over claims arising out of contracts to which the federal government is a party.
We are the home of the free and the brave. Although we are in the background in today's politics,
The Roots of American Government by: Hobbes and Locke --- Locke eloquently demonstrates how true patriots think and believe and Hobbes portrays how socialism /slash/ communism gets its roots in societies.
Both Hobbes and Locke wrote about social contracts. Each had a differing view of the social contract.
Hobbes
Hobbes believed strong government was necessary to restrain man, and men must give up certain rights to a government. (Communism)
Locke
Locke argued that men formed governments in order to preserve property and justice. If governments fail to do this, the people have a right to revolt since the government has broken the contract. (American Patriot)
In political philosophy, the right of revolution (or right of rebellion) is the right or duty, variously stated throughout history, of the people of a nation to overthrow a government that acts against their common interests. Belief in this right extends back to ancient China, and it has been used throughout history to justify various rebellions, including the American Revolution and the French Revolution.
I don't mean to go to the extreme of guns and killing, but that we should use the Tort laws to prevail.
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RoyUnfollow Follow Roy Roy Burgess • Hi Daniel, point me toward a few of these groups wanting to create jobs. Are they non-profit?
Hi David! Yes, I read up on Tort Laws last month or so, when I seen it mentioned in a few comments, here! I need to go back over it, and refresh my memory...I don't want this to go to the extreme of guns and killing, ether.
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MorrisUnfollow Follow Morris Morris Gosa, LC • David, I am not a fan of Dr. Phil so I missed that one- sorry.
“Keep your friends close”. I guess you are not in to my brand of satire. As you say, let’s move on to more important matters.
I think Daniel is right; everyone on the thread would like to get Obama out of office. It is just a matter of degrees.
I would like to go back and comment on an old post dealing with why whites voted for Obama. I think it is the best statement of all the 230 some odd statements. They are voting out of guilt for past white sins to the black people. That is true to some extent- mainly from the hard core of the anti-America, leftist crowd- the people that push resolutions through state legislatures apologizing for past white transgressions against the black race. Most of the democrats I know did not vote for Obama with that in mind. They voted for him because of the “D” following his name- the tragedy of our 2 party system. The added percentage of voters that pushed him over the top just wanted someone else.
I am a 4th generation Georgian and have slavery in my history. I cannot condemn my ancestry from a 20th century mind-set knowing they lived and thought in the 19th century. I am a southerner who believes from my reading that Abraham Lincoln was the best candidate for the south and the country. Slavery was ending in the 19th century. It boiled down to when and how fast. Lincoln said that if the only way to save the country was to save slavery he would do that. He also said that if the only way to save the country was to end slavery he would do that. He was very practical and I believe the best president we have elected.
I still say that the Obama bashing has nothing to do with why whites voted for blacks in 2008, but everything to do with your conservative objective group. But this is a free forum so keep her going! I will probably chime in every once in a while.
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DanielUnfollow Follow Daniel Daniel Duckworth • David. The courts are not enough. you have to have the political will and momentum as well to make anything happen.It is both a legal problem and a political. One cannot succeed without the other.
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DanielUnfollow Follow Daniel Daniel Duckworth • Roy....non-profit. Come on now Are you putting me on?
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DeniseUnfollow Follow Denise Denise Simmons • We should be able to talk about anything and stop being so sensitive, political correctness putting the brakes on again... And that is the biggest problem. David has made some really good points. Why does it matter that he says "black"? What difference does it really make? It is clear by his well formulated argument he is not racist but rather pointing out a psychological fact "White Guilt" http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/WhiteEthnocentrism.pdf This article explains it really well. Although it is long, it is a very good read.
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ScottUnfollow Follow Scott Scott Catino • Tort Reform is not only needed but necessary... The Trial Lawyers have been sucking this country dry for too long... I agree with Denise, we should be able to have a real discussion about race... without fear of being called racists... We can not continue to cower to the Class Warfare the Progressives/Marxists want... Whether it's race, unions, radical Islam.. we must confront on a civil, educated level of how the Progressives are ruining this country.
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RoyUnfollow Follow Roy Roy Burgess • Hi Daniel
Thanks, I had to smile when I read your comment about non-profit...really, I'm chuckling to myself!
The thing is no one wants to make me rich, just to help make jobs for 5 million or more, other people...like say, the Obama re-election team. In fact, my idea could grow so large as to create jobs for 5 million or more people in each and every country on earth...
Laugh, I know!
It's been copyrighted...so the idea is mine, yet to do it myself from scratch would be an up-hill fight to the top of Mount Everest! I have creditor's and their at the front of the line, mad as hell. Still, it would work, and it needs to be done anyway...
Funny thing is my middle name is Everett!
If someone like Trump, announced the idea. It would take off like a rocket!
So a non-profit company like the Red Cross could raise the capital in a few months...and we're on our way!
"Well, dang it!" you ask, "What is it?"
I reply, "Not here, not in an open forum for anyone to steal!"
And further, why in the world would I want to help Obama out of his own mess!
Sorry about that David, I got off topic...everyone has good ideas, but without hard currency to jump start your claim, it'll have to stay on the shelves for now!
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RoyUnfollow Follow Roy Roy Burgess • I know, I know, I'm boasting!
But you got me tickled, Daniel!
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RoyUnfollow Follow Roy Roy Burgess • Hey Morris! Great to read your comments...
Both my parents were from South Georgia (City of Berlin near Moultrie), our family tree date's back to before the Civil war, no one owned slaves though! They were dirt poor homesteading dirt farmer's...half breeds, moved down from North Carolina.
"anti-America, leftist crowd," I hadn't heard it put that way, but I like it...
"Obama bashing," that's why I like this group the most!
Hi Scott, Hi Denise, Hi Sue!
It's always great to read your comments...there are many more "Obama bashing" blogger's comments at http://washingtontimes.com: check this one out when you have time; http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2011/sep/14/obama-campaign-creates-website-counter-smears/
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David Tippie • I am truly blessed to have such knowledgeable contributions to this group study; I want to personally thank you all. The Sacred Cow of Political Correctness is word games employed by the politically correct (progressives) and is what the progressives hide behind to secretly pursue their agenda. They seem to be able to bash some who are weak into stopping the pursuit of practical ideals or goals and either substitute their own or just simply crash the discussion.
For the purposes of future education the best thing that happened to me started back in high school where I studied Semantics as part of an English class. To the teacher, language was all about communicating, if the rules were broken occasionally it wasn’t a big deal, as long as we could express our thoughts and understand the thoughts being expressed by others. At the time I didn’t appreciate what I was learning, but for many years after that, I have felt as though semantics was one of the most important subjects that I studied. That class helped shape the way that I think today, including the questions that I ask.
Never question the power of words. In the U.S. it often seems that things are so messed up it’s as though the lunatics are running the asylum. But when we apply the lessons learned in semantics things become clearer. And when the fog lifts from the progressive sleight of hand tricks that kept us pre-occupied so their agenda would remain hidden from view, it becomes our duty to revolt.
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David Tippie • Political Correctness wields a great deal of power in contemporary society. In fact it wields so much power that it can get a person hired, fired, advanced, demoted, praised, or vilified. It’s such a powerful tool that unfortunately it forces weak people to censor themselves, many times against their own convictions. Sometimes unknowingly to people, it even helps shape the way that they think so as not to offend. When in fact offending may be what is necessary to change the criminal status quoi.
Political Correctness is basically a word game with ever changing rules that is shaped by a political agenda. It is replacing words that accurately describe a given situation with other words that tend to blur, or hide the truth. Can anyone remember the political correct crowd removing the words Merry Christmas and substituting it with Happy Holidays? Or what about the removal of the nativity scean for all public places? Progressives are always in the background changing your life, if you allow it. Do you ever wonder what your kids learn in school? Do you know that the progressives have annihilated our cultural education and completely removed teaching the Constitution? That is not all the damage they have been allowed to do, because to expose it all would take a huge book.
After accurate words are replaced with more benign words peoples thoughts (including children) on a given subject tends to moderate and become more controllable to think in a more progressive manner.
Many Democrats use to be proud to be branded with the label of being “liberal”. But Republicans successfully turned “liberal” into a dirty word. It’s been a long time since most Democrats have embraced the title of being “liberal”. Even Hillary Clinton is currently a “progressive Democrat”. What’s the difference between “progressive” and “liberal”? Other than the word being used there isn’t any. In fact the argument could be made there is little or no difference between Liberal, Progressive, Marxist or communism.
An example of media progressivism is when politicians lie to us, which we have strangely become accustomed to. Figure that out. Imagine one of the talking heads on the Sunday morning news/opinion shows insisting that a particular politician is a liar. Do you suppose they would be back on the air the following week? Instead of saying that a politician lied to us, it is said that the politician had been “misinformed”, or that “the media were misinformed”.
The fourth branch of government (We the People) must take over and how we regain our Constitutional right to have a government of the people by the people and for the people remains to be acted upon. But one thing is for certain, apathy will gain us nothing.
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DeniseUnfollow Follow Denise Denise Simmons • Political Correctness is a lie to keep us silenced. It is in direct opposition of the 1st amendment and therefore should not be applied if we want our freedom. The only "inflammatory" verbiage I know is "social justice", "collective salvation", "racist", etc... I am sure you noticed all of these are progressive terms or words under the shroud of political correctness. If you want them applied in your life have at it, I choose the constitution and the 1st amendment. David's argument is spot on and I urge anyone who was "offended" by it to take another look at it and this time overlook the descriptive words that you found offensive to the heart of the message instead. If you cannot find it in you to understand he makes valid points then you should read that psych article I posted because you are suffering from "white guilt" and that will enslave us all. Time to break through the progressive's mental hockey game of political correctness, because you are the puck!
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • You can keep defending this titles name until you are blue in the face. I am not a member of the David Trippie fan club. If you have to keep defending what you are saying then I guess you have a problem.
I found it as instigating and also, sensationalism. I don't have white guilt, you may but I don't. Sorry, darlin, David is trying to sell a book. And you can have all of the alphabet in education, experience is the best teacher.
PS............HI RB!
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David Tippie • Daniel, why would you have to have the political will and momentum as well as TORT laws to make anything happen? TORT is for civil lawsuit. Win or lose has nothing to do with politics. You must mean that when the TORT convictions are before congress to decide impeachment or not on their validity and his cronies may decide not to impeach is the only political involvement. But the damage is done, every player and every bad illegal act would have been exposed and none of those expose would stand up to re-election. Denise I totally commend your knowledge of the subject matter as to how political correctness is basically a word game with ever changing rules that are shaped by a progressive political agenda. However the everyday liberal or progressive, or communist or Marxist whatever you want to call them all those words mean the same thing, are the weak minded individuals of that supporting voting bloc. They will be villainess in their attacks to try and silence conservatives as you can very well see.
Weak is not a word in my vocabulary so finally they will bark themselves into oblivion if you pay no attention to them. I like Ann Coulters’ book, How to speak to a liberal---if you must.
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • Ok, David, I applaud you for your last post..............
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David Tippie • Daniel, talk about TORT law use, Amy Smith has just posted that E-verify has doubts about Obummer's SS number: http://www.linkedin.com/news?viewArticle=&articleID=774833631&gid=2181637&type=member&item=70905798&articleURL=http%3A%2F%2Fus2%2Ecampaign-archive1%2Ecom%2F%3Fu%3D0c63abc741fff5c4813d80e0a%26id%3D3fce429d69%26e%3D8b6f594bd3&urlhash=FTST&goback=%2Egde_2181637_member_70905798 21 days ago
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DanielUnfollow Follow Daniel Daniel Duckworth • David, it is the same reason you don't get pulled over for going 42 in a 35. It's the same reason pot dealers are not getting prosecuted. it's the same reason we allow illegal aliens to cross our borders and stay indefinitely. We pick and choose the laws we wish to enforce. The courts are no different (in fact they are much worse then the gneral populace when it comes to the will to enforce the law). There was a case to oust Pres. Clinton. It didn't happen. You think white guilt elected this guy? Wait until you try to forcibly remove him. Remember LS post-Rodney King? Remember Watts 1969? Detroit 1968? I just don't believe there is anything close to the political will to remove this man from office.
I'll check out your link.
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David Tippie • Daniel I am certain you missed my point, I could not care less if his cronies decide not to impeach him once the civil law suit containing the mountain of charges against him play out over television like the OJ Simpson trial. That is all that is necessary. It will inform the people of his illegal activity as well as expose many others who have also broken the laws of our Constitution and then all will not be re----elected. That is the ultimate goal. We must clean house the best way we can and the use of the TORT laws are a great way to start. 21 days ago
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David Tippie • If anyone truly loves our country they just simply have to give a damn about 240 years of history and the blood, sweat, lives, tears, of our Founders and forefathers who gave us the reins to this great country and stand up together as Americans and take this country back.. Yes entitlements are an issue, but government beaurocracy job creation on the backs of the taxpayer is the main problem and then enforcing the law would be next. We don't enforce laws for illegal aliens but the taxpayer funded beaurocrats (which we can’t afford to pay their salaries) make regulations that shut down Job Creating American business and bankrupt them or send them packing overseas.
Look at illegal’s in California:
1. California has a 20 Billion Dollar Budget Deficit
2. There was a Calif Supreme Court ruling that ILLEGALS can attend college and get benefits. Why don't they just deport them when they arrive to register?
3. Last year a Newspaper article was on just the yearly costs to Calif Taxpayers from Illegal's using Hospital Emergency Rooms for their general health care; not including any of the other entitlements they are allowed.
At just one hospital the cost to tax payers for just emergency room care totaled over 25 million a year.
We must all wake up.
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DanielUnfollow Follow Daniel Daniel Duckworth • On the civil lawsuit.....That's a good point. We need to attack from all angles. There can't be too many fronts in this war. This enemy must be defeated.....soundly.
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David Tippie • Republican conservatives are constantly being criticized for every conceivable deficiency of the modern world, real or imaginary. We know we take responsibility for all we have done and do not blame others. HOWEVER, upon reflection, we would like to point out that it was NOT the Republican conservatives who took
The first amendment replaced by political correctness
The melody out of music,
The pride out of appearance,
The courtesy out of driving,
The romance out of love,
The commitment out of marriage between one man and one woman,
The responsibility out of parenthood,
The togetherness out of the family,
The learning out of education,
The service out of patriotism,
The Golden Rule from rulers,
The nativity scene out of cities,
The civility out of behavior,
The refinement out of language, black, white, yellow or green (push 1-for English)
The dedication out of employment and replaced it with unions
The prudence out of spending we are sinking in debt
The ambition out of achievement replaced by entitlements or
God out of government and school.
It was the progressive left wingers. Those two words Left Wingers sum up all the other names they go by: Progressives, liberals, Communists, democrats and Marxist.
Did I miss something?
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • RESPECT.
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David Tippie • Obama made his first veto threat Tuesday in a closed-door meeting with Senate Democrats. Obama told his former colleagues that if Congress passes a resolution blocking release of the second half of the financial bailout funds he will veto it, said Sen. Joseph Lieberman after leaving the caucus meeting. I think that ties right in with the above, this one in particular:
The prudence out of spending we are sinking in debt
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David Tippie • Also from the above where I stated: God out of government and school.
Eric Holder is testimony of what the government feels about radical Islam.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HOQt_mP6Pgg
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David Tippie • Up-date from: George Somaru posted in another discussion that could fit here too• From now on if anyone sees a post that they don't agree with, provide a rebuttal to the concepts advanced therein. Do not attack fellow members or their thinking. Do not attack the title or purpose of the discussion either. If you have doubts about what you are about to submit, ask an admin or, better yet, your fellow group members beforehand; just to make sure that what you say does not create ill will. Mosheh's post offers us a good a example here. It drew fire but no constructive criticism. People are leaving the Political Coffeehouse over a perceived failure to enforce rules of civility. Foul or rude language is also not going to be tolerated.
Flag only the worst offenses that you come across if you want immediate admin response. Too many flags will almost guarantee that they will be cleared until you can limit them to a manageable number.
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David Tippie • Nobody likes a racist monger...except maybe another racist monger. No one likes to see someone denigrated because of their race, religion, nationality, or gender. In a country where "all men are created equal", it just isn't right. But under the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, everyone has a right to an opinion and the right to voice that opinion but do not have a right to silence anyone or make them change their subject matter. Unhappily today, one can be sued, fined, or even arrested for "politically incorrect" speech. That's a clear violation of the First Amendment.
The irony is that we let neo-Nazis and the KKK march in parades, even protecting them from protestors with police officers. But if someone tells a dirty joke in the workplace, he can be fired or worse. Political correctness has got to go.
That was my number one above:
The first amendment replaced by political correctness
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • There is a difference in "political correctness" and just common decency & respect. Yes, someone that tells a dirty joke at work can be fired or worse. But that came from the lack of respect for women. No means no, don't touch me, and don't think you can say things that are fine for you in the locker room, but is not ok to think you can say those things to me.
Its due to the lack of respect, David. Do you have a mother, a wife, or a daughter?
Don't you get it yet?
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David Tippie • Sue I vowed not to pay any attention to your postings and I am willing to make this one exception: When people get angry over some little pointless thing, most people legitimately question their intelligence. Intelligence should be questioned when one can't figure out what is pointless and what is not. The main point to intelligence could be viewed with something as small as to "Stop Nagging Pointless issues" and listen to the comments then comment on the general subject, so others do not begin to see you as irrelevant! Because your true intelligence gets covered up with the sludge you create with vile and rude posturing.
If what you are about to add to a discussion is not relevant to the discussion and it is not important enough for you to communicate it to the group like an adult, then it's not important enough for the group to care.
If nagging continues because you do not get your way and you have fallen to making rude untrue stereotypes, then an intelligent person would rightfully conclude that this will hardly get you anywhere other than more frustration for yourself.
You have explained again and again what it truly bothering you (which is this discussion) and that your sole intent is to make others stop following it.
Believe it or not I am learning from this rudeness however; I have never thought about the connection between anger and stupidity before...I am beginning to see that being stupid makes you angry and being angry makes you stupid? I don't find either better than the other, thanks to your comments.
This is just me but if your girl friend or boy friend gets mad over little things you just get a new girl friend or boy friend. Several have stated in this group that if you don't like the group discussion simply take the first exit and find one that suits you.
In life there are girls and boys that do not get mad over little things and those are the ones you gotta look for. The fact that those in this group do not lower their standards to get vile and rude back to you, quite possibly means you are in the wrong group, so fire all of us from you and find the one for you. There must be a group out there somewhere that fulfills your needs, just quite possibly not this one if you can't handle the subject matter. For this subject matter will never change for you. If you can accept that, then by all me contribute. Trust me, I have not paid any attention to your ranting and I am willing to give you every benefit of the doubt.
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • David, you make this personal. You have done this "you are in the wrong group" to me time & time again..
There is a time & place for everything. I don't thinki need to go into a big explanation of what my comment was, it is an example, & its pretty evident...........it's truly unimportant to me whether you give me the benefit of the doubt. Respect is simple. That is the difference, its not about politcal correctness. We fall victim to our own ignorance when we do or say things that can potentially be harmful. Thats how I was raised. My opinion has been well stated, and not to confuse the two.
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David Tippie • Mexico is struggling with internal and external corruption as well as a devastating war against the Mexican drug cartels that are overrunning the Mexican government and the country in general. Mexico is a serious problem and threat for America. It could be turning into the Afghanistan/Pakistan of the Western hemisphere. At the very least, it will make the Columbia Drug Cartel wars of the eighties look not all that bad. Maybe because Columbia was not so close to American borders. The important thing to realize about the illegal immigration issue is that coming across the Mexican border are not all Mexicans ----terrorists enter just as easily. Who sees that Illegal immigration is destined to be a major controversy in the 2012 election?
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RoyUnfollow Follow Roy Roy Burgess • Me, I Do!
I am one "Who sees that Illegal immigration is destined to be a major controversy in the 2012 election?"
Good morning group. It's 6:33am here, and I'm just getting up for the day!
Being a native of Florida (I was born and grew up there), the Illegal Immigration problem is compounded by their lack of, seeking assimilation into our culture, our way of life. Our local government has set up townships, which cater to their Mexican Culture and Language.
And, is spreading into other cities, predominantly agricultural rural areas... Areas with small town American history, which is systematically being turned into small pockets of Mexico! With the same mind set's which have corrupted Mexico to its core, destroying it from with-in... Spreading like a cancer, Mexican murderer's move from the country of Mexico, to the smaller pockets of Mexico inside the USA... Human trafficking, gang rape, slave inducing drugs - is rampant, and when they seek new blood for their prostitution rings, do you think they go back to Mexico? No, they look for the teens of the USA, and they get them.
Now you have complete families of native born citizens, who raised their children in the local school district. Loving them, spoiling them each Christmas with their American family traditions...then bang, their baby is now a teen. Ready to graduate High School and move into their adult life... But they are systematically stocked, lured into places and set-up...set-up to be indoctrinated into drug induced prostitution...
Where is their protection, where is their justice? When they seek to gather information on the drug cartels, the police come after them. Both parents, both grandparents have to work...their American dream is down the street prostituting from with-in a drug induced psychosis, turning tricks for 40 or more Illegal Mexican Immigrant’s...
Sounds like a movie script, but it's not; it America!
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David Tippie • Surprisingly little coverage has bothered to note Obama's white-vote deficit. Although Obama beat John McCain in the popular vote by an impressive seven-point margin, McCain beat Obama among white voters by an even more impressive 12-point margin. Obama got 53 percent of the broad electorate to vote for him but only 43 percent of the white electorate. That strikes me as a hidden-in-plain-sight phenomenon that warrants greater attention. It could have something to do with the fact that Obama had made greater inroads among whites than most recent Democratic predecessors. The sad reality is that no Democratic candidate for president since Lyndon Johnson has won a majority of white votes (and even he lost 1964's white Southern vote to Barry Goldwater).
Am I saying that any white vote against Obama must be counted as racist? Of course not. White people have all sorts of reasons for deciding who they vote for, and most, (though not all) white conservatives would have a hard time justifying a vote for any Democratic presidential candidate.
In 2008, it's entirely possible that a majority of whites might have voted for a black Republican. (Remember the brief GOP frenzy to draft Colin Powell to run against Bill Clinton in 1996?)
More whites voted for Obama than for the very white John Kerry or Al Gore. That doesn't sound like racist behavior. Remember that the Republican Party in Texas was first started by 150 blacks and 20 whites. Also remember that the Jim Crow party is the democrat party. It was interesting for me to learn that none of Obama’s Democratic successors ever won a white majority either so absolutely nothing has changed insofar as that statistic
Another statistic that seemed interesting was: The percentage of Democrats who went to the polls increased 2.6 percentage points when Obama ran while the percentage of Republicans went down 1.3 percentage points.
The message that I gather from this is that if there continues to be apathy on the part of Republican voters in 2012, we are looking at the possibility that Obama could sneak by and that alone should sound the alarm signal to all of us to find ways, even in forms like this to remind folks how important their vote is.
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JenniferUnfollow Follow Jennifer Jennifer Wise ( LION Networker 2750+ Connects!) • There does not seem to be apathy on the part of Republican voters David. I think what has been going on in this administration is energizing all sorts of people.
Black Americans have the highest unemployment rate now. Will they vote against Obama if they are unemployed or underemployed in a year?
To me, anyone who votes for skin color is the racist. I remember MLK Jr talking about the content of a persons character and not their skin color.
If Obama had been a white guy who rarely voted as a state congressman, rarely voted as a US Senator, had no Executive or private sector business experience lets all face the facts... he would have NEVER been chosen as the nominee. He was and still is grossly underqualified for real world economics and problems. He is at heart the professor and community organizer/agitator and that is unlikely to change. Obama had very little real accomplishment other than having a Hamas member pay his way to Harvard where he could start his games.
I STILL CANNOT BELIEVE SO MANY VOTERS GOT SNOOKERED BY THIS MAN!
The Democrats embarrassed common sense by voting for a slickster from Chicago who had the machine and the media pressing for him. He is a empty suit with no idea what he is doing and no clue how to get out of this mess. It is pathetic to watch and listen to him.
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David Tippie • This was reported by ABC news: At a campaign fundraiser Thursday night in Washington, D.C., President Obama said he believes his chances of being reelected in 2012 are “much higher” than they were in 2008. “Over the last couple of months there have been Democrats who voiced concerns and nervousness about, in this kind of economy, aren’t these deficits and joblessness just huge headwinds in terms of your reelection?” Obama said.
“And I just have to remind people that, here’s one thing I know for certain: the odds of me being reelected are much higher than the odds of me being elected in the first place.”
Obama made the remarks before a gathering of 50 donors to his reelection campaign and the Democratic National Committee who each paid $35,800 to attend.
The event was held at the Georgetown home of former U.S. ambassador to Portugal Elizabeth Frawley Bagley.
“We remain very confident about our ability to win a contest of ideas in 2012,” Obama said, “as long as we can get the message out.”
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David Tippie • This was a post from another in another group that fits here nicely, so with his permision here it is: Much of the black community was pretty obnoxious back in 2008 regarding the election of Obama, who was branded “the historic and unprecedented first black president”, despite being half-white and mostly Arab (since his Kenyan father was actually only 1/4 black and 3/4 African Muslim). Blacks here in Chicago harassed Hillary volunteers during the primary campaign, calling us RAAACISTS! for supporting Clinton instead of Obama…when we knew all along how terrible Obama would be as president and did everything we could to stop him from getting the nomination. The Obama campaign clearly ramped up the racial tension and actively encouraged black people to hurl racially-motivated insults and epithets at the Clintons themselves. Remember what happened during the South Carolina primary back in 2008? Obama surrogates not only played the race card against both Hillary and Bill Clinton, but Obama pushed the Pigford Black Reparations scam to black community leaders as a carrot to lead them away from supporting the Clintons and secure them in the Obama camp it was then-Senator Obama who engineered the Pigford Black Reparations scam, which was a reward to the black community for abandoning and attacking the Clintons so Obama could become president.
On election night back in 2008, I attended the McCain/Palin results watch events in Chicago, with one group hosted in a hotel overlooking Grant Park downtown…directly across the street from where the Obama cult rally took place. It was nowhere near as large as the cameras led people watching on television to believe (with Mayor Daley apocryphally claiming at the time that “there were 2 million people there!”, when a few days later the Park Service admitted it was more like 300,000, which is less than the attendance of both the Gay Pride Parade here in Boystown or the Taste of Chicago food festival downtown). But there were indeed a lot of Obama cultists out in force that day, most of them being part of the national lamestream media, with “journalists” crying on camera, so emotionally affected by Obama’s election.
Inside the hotel, some group affiliated with Jesse Jackson had one of the ballrooms for an event of their own. Many black attendees of the group, all dressed in orange Jesse Jackson tee shirts, thronged the corridors, elevators, and public rooms of the hotel loudly cheering not for Obama, but for their race. “A black man in the White House!”, they shouted at anyone white. “It’s the Black House now, suckers!” They shook their butts, made obscure and bizarre hand and arm gestures which are apparently common in black fraternity and sororities, but alien outside the black community, and hooted and hollering until dawn over Obama’s win.
In an elevator with other McCain/Palin supporters riding to our floor, several of these orange-shirted Jackson affiliates made horrible comments to us, in playground, taunting tones unexpected from grown adults. It was a very tense elevator ride, because it wasn’t about the election of a politician…it was about these particular black people singling out the white people in front of them for a verbal attack based on our race as opposed to theirs.
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David Tippie • This is continued from above Of course, because these were black people doing the taunting and freely shouting obnoxious racially-motivated exclamations into the air, this was all okay. The fact these were people participating in an orange-shirted Jesse Jackson event of some kind just made everything all the more obvious.
After the election Obama money thought to be flowing to the blacks like honey from a Pennsylvania Avenue bee hive once Obama took over. Remember the absurd, delusional woman who said on camera that Obama was going to pay her rent, and her gas bill, and her car note? There were near-riots in Detroit when black people lined up to get their Obama money when none was to be had.
The only “Obama money” that ever materialized was that affiliated with the Pigford Black Reparations scam that Obama cooked up as a sitting US Senator and pushed through as President — but those reparations went only to the politically connected Obama operatives in the South, as payback for their help defeating the Clintons.
In a city like Chicago, Obama has done about as much for blacks as President as he did for them as a US Senator or a state senator here in Illinois before that: jack smack.
Obama does not care about black people, largely because Obama does not consider himself to be a black person. Throughout his life, Obama has only been black when it’s best suited him. Mostly, Obama considers himself to be a Muslim and an Indonesian, based on the obvious fact that he spent his formative years in a foreign country hating America and was adopted by Indonesian Lolo Soetoro when his mother married this Indonesian man. There is an alien, foreignness to Obama that’s the root of who this man is. Very clearly this keeps him from relating to the lives and problems of Americans…especially the black ones.
I’ve always found it striking that Obama has allowed his grandmother and brothers in Africa to live in abject squalor, suffering without electricity in their homes, while he enjoyed great riches benefitting from everything the Left showered him with as Leftists prepared Obama’s rise to the top. He could have very easily made a better life for his black relatives, including his Aunt Zetuni who lived in a housing project in Boston (illegally so), but he chose not to.
Just as he chose not to do a darn thing to benefit the black community he represented here in Chicago as a state senator…and then recommitted to doing nothing for the black community as a US Senator after that.
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David Tippie • This is continued from above Here and there, I hear black community leaders in Chicago grumble about this.
They get angry when pressed for an opinion about what Obama has done for blacks as president.
According to this bit in the Washington Post, blacks are not enthused about re-electing Obama.
I wonder how hard it will be to gin up the race-card flinging, hatefest the Obama campaign produced with ease back in 2008 when this spectacle is needed by his re-election campaign next year.
Will so many black people participate in this the next time around?
Will black people get on the Obama bandwagon again to intimidate white voters and call anyone not voting for Obama a RAAACIST again?
More importantly, will people be intimidated and bullied this way again?
Do the threats of being called a RAAACIST carry as much weight now, and will they carry that much weight again in 2012?
Will Republicans actually grow a spine and push back on this garbage…or will the Cocktail Party GOP establishment stand back and allow these threats of being called RAAACISTS for opposing Obama’s re-election hamstring the Republican effort in 2012?
I’ve heard several times now that black voters will not show up for Obama in the numbers Obama needs to win re-election in 2012. Though it’s rare to hear it from black people on the street, there is immense disappointment in Obama in the black community.
But, the simple truth is that it was not black voters that gave Obama the win in 2012.
Obama won because independents voted for him to prove they were not RAAACISTS and very foolish Republicans sat home on election day “to teach the party a lesson” because they felt McCain was not conservative enough.
Will this happen again in 2012?
What do you think?
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David Feller • “We remain very confident about our ability to win a contest of ideas in 2012,” Obama said, “as long as we can get the message out.”
Love it!! I hope I can buy milk and bread ideas. If so I'm a rich man and need to be taxed at a higher rate to take care of the folks who don't have a clue or is it "idealisticly bankrupt"?
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JenniferUnfollow Follow Jennifer Jennifer Wise ( LION Networker 2750+ Connects!) • I think Obama is helping his opposition every time he speaks or does something.
He is energizing his detractors which is a good thing! His 2008 campaign was about openness and inclusion and he is the exact opposite of most things he talked about then.
I thought he may help the race issues in the USA but he is very devisive. I agree with David Tippies comments about him being raised by Communists and an Indonesian with a fantasy figure of a father who abandoned him. He really does not have any empathy at all for Americans and acts like a stranger to this country. He was only raised in Hawaii for a short time and most of his early influences were very radical ( Frank Marshall Davis for one).
Is it any wonder this man is a radical? He was raised and surrounded by radical anti American people who think the USA is imperialist ( see his dads remarks and his first book Dreams of My Father)
I hope Republicans and others are not stupid enough to sit home in 2012 because the anti Obama crowd needs to come out in force and battle all the slings arrows and crap his campaign will throw out there.
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ScottUnfollow Follow Scott Scott Catino • @David
His message has been out for over 2.5 years. We've heard and it's been rejected. I believe Obama will face a challenger from the left... It's clear he is the one who is committed to class warfare, not conservatives... The left has tried to utilize this narrative in order to keep their power. Independents, Women, Jewish and Hispanics are running away from him. The only votes he will get are the African-American vote which will not turn out in the numbers as they did in the 08 election and the socialist vote. The latest polls show even the youth are turning against him. I think any candidate who can articulate the depth of Obama's failed policies the best will beat him in a landslide... The recent elections in NY9 and Nevada clearly show he is not re-electable.... without either stealing the election or the Republican candidate making a couple of huge blunders.
He will not win the swing states again and he may have turned some blue ones into red... However, I still do not underestimate the stupidity of the electorate.
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ScottUnfollow Follow Scott Scott Catino • @Jennifer... I think most common sense people will come out and vote against Obama...
He has awakened the sleeping dragon.
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MorrisUnfollow Follow Morris Morris Gosa, LC • David, “…very foolish Republicans sat home on election day “to teach the party a lesson” because they felt McCain was not conservative enough.”
I could not agree with you more! Obama can win, not because he is black, or he is better or has a better solution to our problems, but because the Republicans will beat themselves. Look back at past presidential campaigns:
1948; Taft did not support Dewey.
1960; Goldwater did not support Nixon
1976; Reagan did not support Ford
1992; Robertson did not support Bush !
Who did we get? Truman, Kennedy, Carter, & Clinton. Are we really better off with their judicial appointees? Some are still there legislating from the bench. Clinton forced lenders to lend money to people who could not afford homes. That was when the bubble began to burst.
Yes people; Obama has a chance because we will give it to him.
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Roger W Hancock , PoetPatriot • My 2 cents (add inflation then deflation what would it be?)
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Sue Allen - They thought they believed in him. Actually, they believed his rhetoric. -------
John Oliver - Yeah! Tippie had a lot to say about nothing. ------
This thread is lacking an intelligent black view on the subject.
I was once alone in Watts and a situation arose in which my first thougt was,
"Wow, this is really different."
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David Tippie • Activists really epitomize and can relate to Obama; they find others who see Obama as an abomination as distasteful and that's OK. Who wants to be seen a tasteful to an Activist? After all the majority of real Americans cannot hardly wait to get rid of the Whitehouse full of radical activists; starting from Obama and going downward. At this point in the previous presidential election cycle, Barack Hussein Obama was a Hollywood heartthrob. Obummer being the Hollywood idle in 08, the entertainment industry's ardent Democratic activists Liberals (New name---“Dem “ “ILLIBERALS”) couldn't dig deep enough into their wallets to finance his ambitious run for the Oval Office. Today, moving into the 12-election, that industry remains with the president in public, but the disenchantment is increasingly palpable, and even devoted “Dem” “ILLIBERALA” are approaching his re-election campaign with all the enthusiasm of a studio contractually obligated to finance a dubious sequel.
So when that far left dubious crowd runs amuck with their idle--the smell rises. But this posting has re-assured me that the center republican and conservative base will not let us down this time and that the black and other far left “Dem”-“ILLIBERALS” may not turn out so great this next time, since the Obummer money faucet did not flow the way the counted on.
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DeniseUnfollow Follow Denise Denise Simmons • An intelligent black view on this subject is Allen West and he has been clear in his views. Another intelligent black view on this subject is Pastor Manning and arunawayslave (I cannot remember his name off the top but his youtube videos are definitely worth viewing). I agree with David Tippie on this topic and coming from a military background (have been all over the USA and outside of the country), I must say many get hung up on the verbiage David chooses rather than the content of his message. His verbiage is likely a result of the area of the country he is from not racist rhetoric. He brings up great points that we would be blind to ignore. Further the fact David Tippie is a white male over 40 could be part of the sensitivity to his discussions on this topic. Why would we fall into that trap and perpetuate the race card rhetoric rather than allowing a natural and needed conversation regarding this topic? Evidence truths should not be ignored simply because the subject matter is "uncomfortable", we truly should be discussing this so we do not repeat the problematic behaviors. White guilt is a real problem among the population. I am studying psychology in my PhD. program, this is my emphasis and from this perspective David Tippie is on target. This is a conversation we need to have to not only overcome the inconsistencies in decision making but to educate and enlighten, just as we are capable in every other subject matter (as evidenced in other conversation strings). Hyper sensitivity is a real problem and it definitely is political correctness in action. We must have the fortitude to move past that or our country is doomed.
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David Tippie • The execration felt for the Obaummer by the true Red, White and Blue-blooded Americans are what has fueled the Tea-Party's across this nation. Like Scott said: He has awakened the sleeping dragon. Allen West and true Americans like him see through the smoke and mirrors as Denise has stated. It is concerning to me that Morris sees that Obama can win for the reasons he stated and that is more fuel for Americans to get our voting engines revved up, as well as those of others starting right now. When Jennifer states: I think Obama is helping his opposition every time he speaks or does something. Those are the re-assuring words I love to hear. 15 days ago
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DeniseUnfollow Follow Denise Denise Simmons • We are all intelligent adults, so let's talk about it honestly, our opinions should not require a particular skin tone to be acknowledged with merit. Since when is this topic only okay to discuss if you are black? I lived in Hawaii for 3.5 years and I am here to tell you contrary to Obama's statements about racism being non-existent in Hawaii (which is a total LIE), it is very much alive and directed at whites. I was pregnant with my oldest son there and had to be moved to a school for the blind because I look 100% white (although I am not) and there were death threats against me because my son is "Happa Howlee" (half white). Racism against me because I was pregnant by a Japanese local boy, they wanted to kill me and my "half breed" son simply because of my skin color. I ended up dropping out of highschool altogether as a result (who wants to physically fight when they are pregnant just to stay alive). If you think I am joking look up "Kill Howlee day", it was a yearly event and Howlee is a white person. I may be spelling it wrong, but I am sure you get the drift. Growing up, I was the minority in many places I lived (Laughlin AFB in Del Rio Texas on the border of Mexico, Waldorf Maryland, Hawaii) just to name a few and experienced racism as a minority many many many times. It was awful! Basing decisions on skin color is horrific and to say that did not occur by many voters in 2008 is a lie! We should be talking about it so we can prevent this from happening again. It was easy for an illegal alien to take the white house seat (essentially infiltrate our country and take the helm) because he is not only a psychopathic manipulator who lied very well but also in part because of all the hype over the potential for our "first black president". WOW! We were snookered! I do not blame anyone who voted for him, smooth manipulative talkers can pull the wool. How do we avoid this in the future? By discussing all potential related topics today. Keep talking David, you make good points!
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Roger W Hancock , PoetPatriot • When discussing racism an intelligent perspective from a Black person would be prudent. I am sure Allen West would be one of the best. I supported Allen before he left the military. He has become a great spokesman for common sense.
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MikeUnfollow Follow Mike Mike Cunningham • I would like to make a motion, That we table this discussion topic and move forward with the agenda.
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DeniseUnfollow Follow Denise Denise Simmons • We already have intelligent perspectives from black people, lots of black people! White people need to drop the fear of discussing the topic and stop looking for skin tone to define merit of the conversation. This argument is equivalent to saying men do not have a say in abortion!
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • @ Mike, I second the motion.
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David Tippie • You keep sharing your emotions with us Sue, so now you are making a second emotion. Now for the discussion: I agree with you Denise, we have many intelligent perspectives from black people and you are correct, when white people start to drop their inner fears and openly discuss the topic and to simply disregard the emotional---this will be a plus for our society and the better off our country will be.
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David Tippie • Charlie Rangel is not one of these respected blacks which are out there however:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIMIvrA0bx8 14 days ago
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DeniseUnfollow Follow Denise Denise Simmons • I can completely understand Sue's position because she is from the generation of full indoctrination not to touch this topic, my son's both had the same issues. It takes time to sort through it all and make the decision that talking about it does not equate to racism or racial profiling and slurring. David, you and I come from the generation where the indoctrination was just beginning so we are more likely to "buck the system". Sue is an intelligent woman and though we may not agree on every subject, I do respect her view points. On this particular topic the generation gap is clear but it is not personal and in fact I would go as far as to say it is our generation's fault for not nipping the indoctrination before it could fully root and effect our children so profoundly, but then we were just little kids at the time so not sure we had much control over it either. The only way to truly tackle the problems associated are to talk about them and seek out solutions. Solutions to any problem rarely includes silence. It is an important conversation, Allen West has made that clear as have many others, they are insightful and reasonable people so why not talk about it?
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David Tippie • Your are on target Denise, Whether you are a well-to-do white male or are a barely-making-it single mother living in subsidized housing, you are likely to hold some misguided perceptions about race and class. We live in a country of whites that seals itself off from speaking about race and clearly divides our country even more by race--and class--to the point that wherever you go, someone reminds you that cities like Chicago are one of the most segregated cities in the nation; where Obama spent time. But do they talk about that? Nooooo.
Earlier this year, Men's Fitness magazine named Chicago the nation's fattest city, everybody got on that subject. It was reported that fitness programs popped up everywhere. And news papers published daily about the latest dieting trends.
So why don't they talk about race?
O.K. let me re-phrase that question. Why don't white people talk about race? Why don't Asians talk about race? Why don't Latinos talk about race?
Black people talk about race all the time.
Here is an answer from a blog contributor: Last month, I participated in a panel discussion of the movie "Crash" that was held at DePaul University. I was surprised that so many people turned out for the event. Other members of the panel included a black poet, black public defender, Puerto Rican lawyer, a black judge, a Latino lawyer, and a white lesbian/feminist/politician.
The audience included about a dozen white people.
Everyone seemed passionate about the racial themes depicted in the movie. But at the end of 1-1/2 hours of talking, we didn't hear from one white person.
Not one white person asked a question. Or made a comment. Or shared a story about race relations. For all practical purposes, we were a roomful of black and Latinos talking to ourselves.
So what I want to know is this: Why is it so hard for white people to talk about race?
Black people aren't shy about telling white people what irks them. White people shouldn't be shy either. Besides, getting this weighty issue out in the open would not only clear the air, but may just help improve race relations.
Hopefully, all of our candid conversations will pave the way to some honest public dialogue on the subject.
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DeniseUnfollow Follow Denise Denise Simmons • David, your comment "Whether you are a well-to-do white male or are a barely-making-it single mother living in subsidized housing, you are likely to hold some misguided perceptions about race and class." is exactly what progressives are hoping for so they can control and direct our conversations which is exactly why we need to discuss this topic candidly! Great point. United we stand divided we fall. They use race/class to divide us, why should we play into that hand of lies?
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MorrisUnfollow Follow Morris Morris Gosa, LC • David, I see that I left out the last election in my listing. Of course I could go back to 1912 and Woodrow Wilson to see the total start of our road down the slippery slope of socialism.
I hope that you and Jennifer, and Denise are right and the people will be revved up to defeat Obama. I know I will cast my vote as I did from 1972, thru 2008. My only question: What if it is Mitt Romney?
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Today, my email in-box filled up with 16 comments from this discussion...I read them all, and gave a good LOL with Morris's comment: My only question: What if it is Mitt Romney?
Thank you everyone, great point's...and thank you Morris for lifting a little stress off my shoulder's!
MaaWaaHahahaha...
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David Tippie • Press 1 for English. Press 2 for Spanish, or Press 3 for Arabic”!Michigan is the place to immigrate to if you are Muslim. Michigan has the highest population of Muslims in the Unites States. When Obama took office the United States paid several millions of dollars to have a large number of Palestinians, (All Muslim), immigrated to come here from Palestine.
Why? I have no idea, do you! We don’t pay for other persons to immigrate here, and I’m sure that some of those Muslims moved into Michigan where there is a large current population of Muslims already established there.
Muslim men are allowed to have as many as 4 wives. Many Muslims who have immigrated into the U.S. brought their 2-3-or 4 wives with them, but the U.S. does not allow multi marriages, so the man lists one wife as his, and signs the other 2 or 3 up as extended family on welfare and other free Government programs!
Press 2 for Spanish was bad enough now, Press 3 for Arabic; this is quite alarming!!! This seems to have happened clandestinely, for, as far as I know, no public announcement, or opportunity to vote on this was offered to the American people. They're just adopting an official stance, and very likely using tax-payer money for it, in various capacities, without public knowledge or approval.
Here is the phone number, check it out for yourself: 1-888-678-8914
Every time you add a new language to an American program it requires an additional number of persons fluent in that language to process those persons who refuse to learn English in order to live here at an additional cost to the taxpayer! Why are we even allowing persons to immigrate here who cannot provide for themselves, and putting them in our welfare system?
The following link takes you into the State of Michigan Public Assistance page, (as in Food Stamps etc). You won't have to scroll far before you see the assistance-letters options for...(get this).....English, Spanish, and you guessed it, ARABIC !!!
When did the ARABIC option sneak into our culture? Will we soon have to listen to our governmental offices, stores, and other venues offer us the option of "pressing 3 for ARABIC?"
Check it out for yourself. Click on this link and see: http://www.michigan.gov/dhs/0%2c1607%2c7-124-5453_5527---%2c00.html
OFFICIALLY under the tent! OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK!!
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David Tippie • I have often wondered why it is that Conservatives are called the "right" and Liberals are called the "left." By chance I stumbled upon this verse in the Bible:
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right,
But the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 (NIV)
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David Tippie • The majority of our leaders in America, starting from Obama are Progressives. There are some things to know about Progressivism, such as understanding 1) Marxism 2) Socialism 3) Communism and 4) Nazism 5) Fascism Progressivism has been around for a very long time. Many people have never heard of Progressivism and have no idea what it is. All five are under the name Liberal Democrat in America. Because it has Progress in the name does not mean to imply that it is a good thing because it has nothing to do with progress. We have been slowly sinking into the Progressivism pit for over 100 years and because they are doing a piece at a time, not many have noticed what is taking place.
When the word "Progress" is extended with the letters "ivism" "Progressivism" it is really ANTI-Progress. Progressives want their "controlled base" to believe that every part of American lives must be guided and controlled by the government and that the government needs to act to solve all their problems. The way to do this is to legislate on the city, state, and federal levels of the government.
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David Tippie • Herman Cain is running for president Just like me. He’s not a career politician (just like me) (in fact he has never held political office) (just like me). He’s known as a pizza guy, but there’s a lot more to him. He’s also a computer guy, a banker guy, and a rocket scientist guy. Here’s his bio:
•Bachelor’s degree in Mathematics
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•Master’s degree in Computer Science.
•Mathematician for the Navy, where he worked on missile ballistics (making him a rocket scientist).
•Computer systems analyst for Coca-Cola.
•VP of Corporate Data Systems and Services for Pillsbury (this is the top of the ladder in the computer world, being in charge of information systems for a major corporation).
All achieved before reaching the age of 35. Since he reached the top of the information systems world, he changed careers!
•Business Manager. Took charge of Pillsbury’s 400 Burger King restaurants in the Philadelphia area, which were the company’s poorest performers in the country. Spent the first nine months learning the business from the ground up, cooking hamburger and yes, cleaning toilets. After three years he had turned them into the company’s best performers.
•Godfather’s Pizza CEO. Was asked by Pillsbury to take charge of their Godfather’s Pizza chain (which was on the verge of bankruptcy). He made it profitable in 14 months.
•In 1988 he led a buyout of the Godfather’s Pizza chain from Pillsbury. He was now the owner of a restaurant chain. Again he reached the top of the ladder of another industry.
•He was also chairman of the National Restaurant Association during this time. This is a group that interacts with government on behalf of the restaurant industry, and it gave him political experience from the non-politician side.
Having reached the top of a second industry, he changed careers again!
•Adviser to the Federal Reserve System. Herman Cain went to work for the Federal Reserve Banking System advising them on how monetary policy changes would affect American businesses.
•Chairman of the Kansas City Federal Reserve Bank. He worked his way up to the chairmanship of a regional Federal Reserve bank. This is only one step below the chairmanship of the entire Federal Reserve System (the top banking position in the country). This position allowed him to see how monetary policy is made from the inside, and understand the political forces that impact the monetary system.
After reaching the top of the banking industry, he changed careers for a fourth time!
•Writer and public speaker. He then started to write and speak on leadership. His books include Speak as a Leader, CEO of Self, Leadership is Common Sense, and They Think You’re Stupid.
•Radio Host. Around 2007—after a remarkable 40 year career—he started hosting a radio show on WSB in Atlanta (the largest talk radio station in the country).
He did all this starting from rock bottom (his father was a chauffeur and his mother was a maid). When you add up his accomplishments in his life—including reaching the top of three unrelated industries: information systems, business management, and banking—Herman Cain may have the most impressive resume of anyone that has run for the presidency in the last half century.
By the way he's black, and did it all without affirmative action Obama. See there is hope for me as well.
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MorrisUnfollow Follow Morris Morris Gosa, LC • David, here we go!
You put together quite a good listing of Cain’s accomplishments. I am sure, as he moves up in the polls we will begin to see the negatives come out. Nobody is perfect.
On other threads he has already been discarded because of his Fed service and his statement that the fed should not be audited. Of course this person also wrote off the 2 “democrats” in the race, Mitt Romney and Rick Perry as he labeled them.
These statements are simply shades of “very foolish republicans” as you call them. The conservatives are still capable of beating themselves. It is that attitude that has given us judicial appointees from Carter, Clinton, and Obama, we are still contending with.
There are, as of my last look, 228 people who have filled out the Form 2 with the Federal Election Commission to run for President. I do not see your name among them. If you want a chance at living in the White House you have to fill out the paperwork.
Are you a viable candidate? Sure! As qualifications go you probably top all but a very few of the 228. I met Newt 27 years ago and I still like him.
What you need is what the conservative movement hates- mainstream exposure. If we want victory now we have to work within the framework we are dealing with today. We can only change it after we get power.
David, best of luck to you, and keep us informed of your views and your progress toward victory!
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David Tippie • Morris I am a write in independent candidate like Ralph Nader was who will spend no money to get elected. I am not seeking nor am I accepting funds to run for president. My book will announce my platform and the stated fact that I will be be-holden to no person or group. Here are the requirements for filing if you are just another political candidate of whom I am not:
If you are running for the U.S. House, Senate or the Presidency, you must register with the FEC once you (or persons acting on your behalf) receive contributions or make expenditures in excess of $5,000. Within 15 days of reaching that $5,000 threshold, you must file a Statement of Candidacy (FEC Form 2 [PDF]) authorizing a principal campaign committee to raise and spend funds on your behalf. Within 10 days of that filing, your principal campaign committee must submit a Statement of Organization (FEC Form 1 [PDF]). Your campaign will thereafter report its receipts and disbursements on a regular basis. Campaigns should download the Campaign Guide for Congressional Candidates [PDF] and our Candidate Registration presentation [PowerPoint] for more information on the laws that apply to them.
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MorrisUnfollow Follow Morris Morris Gosa, LC • David, the Independent write-in candidate approach is a long shot in our political system. Of course, anything can happen! I’ll have to get your book and get familiar with your programs.
Best of luck to you!
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David Tippie • Let me introduce you to me a simple businessman who is a God-loving, America-loving patriot and a conservative, opposite Nader politically, who will have one thing in common with Nader however, and that is, he ran on a zero dollars campaign budget and therefore not beholden to any billionaires or groups. The country can get behind the candidate like me and disregard the billions of dollars spent on television ads paid for by the politicians and their puppeteer supporters. Why not read my book which outlines my platform for America, so there will be no surprises like we got from Obama and you simply decide up or down if you want me as your candidate, by reading the book? No campaign contributors, no special interest groups which I would have to be beholden to, just a clean, clear-thinking patriot, just like you, who tells you up-front exactly what I intend to do to stop the train wreck our country is headed for Supporters who believed in Nader brought him the venues so he could present his platform and show the millionaires and billionaires that American courage and patriotism are back and that we do not have to buy votes. From now on, our political candidates who get elected should all be required to write down what their position is, so when or if they get bought off, you will know immediately and you can throw the bum out.
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David Tippie • In my opinion people of all races will always hate. It is interesting that racism seems to be shifting however; it feels like there is more racism against white people than ever before. I personally discriminate towards BEHAVIOR and not color, for example people that insist on driving through neighborhoods blaring their music at the highest possible level really ticks me off and in my city I have mostly seen white teenagers doing this. It could also have to do with how someone is brought up. I think in general, it has been explored that many blacks expect others to be against them, so they are against a white first. That action must be a defense mechanism which I think that it probably stems from poverty and weariness from living a sad lifestyle. But obviously when there is education and honor taught at home, you get the royal flush of people like Herman Cain, Colin Powel and Condoleezza Rice and thousands of others who are people that all races honor and respect; so it is definitely not color discrimination, it is BEHAVIOR discrimination, due to the way you were brought up. Look how Herman Cain is soaring in the poles. We have had our fill of the Blackman in the Whitehouse, but it is not due to his color, it is due to his utter lack of love and respect for our country. Come to think of it---we are having trouble finding out how he was brought up---he got that covered up nicely. Anyway, I don’t give a D_ _ what people think when I say NO MORE OBAMA, I think Joe the Plumber would have done a much better job.
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MorrisUnfollow Follow Morris Morris Gosa, LC • David, I think you are right on. I have always understood that love is our natural state. Hate has to be taught. Black and white can be equal in the hate department. Sitting around the dinner table as children is where we learn about life and all its trials and tribulations.
My parents were depression democrats from South Georgia. But my sister and I learned respect for all from our parents. We were taught to find the positive in every situation and every person we could. I went to my father’s office and remember seeing him treat everybody cordially, weather it was the janitor or the highest executive in the company. I continue to follow that example today. My mother and father would expect nothing less from me.
Yes, I grew up with discrimination and hate during the 1950’s and 1960’s. Georgia did not see the problems Alabama or Arkansas had. My wife and I have done our best to raise our sons with that same attitude. As they enter the work force, we pray for the best.
The other part of these observations is that the government cannot teach these same values in a welfare state. The government (Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society) has failed those that need parental leadership- black and white. We must get government out of the parenting business and bring family to the leadership position it so rightfully filled for generations of young Americans.
I would agree- Obama must go!
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David Tippie • Morris we are like minds and although we grew up in different parts of the country, the same values were instilled in all of my brothers and sister as well as myself that of course shapes who you are at your very core. Taking your hat off when you go indoors and opening a door for a lady is second nature. You have it spot on when you state that the government of the great society (all in lower case for a reason) was an utter failure. It robbed an entire culture of their pride of self expression and desire to achieve. But there are volumes on this subject for those who care to indulge.
The dinner table is what is missing Morris. Those talks that shaped who we are came from around that evening dinner table with Father and Mother present and those who have been deprived of it are at a loss for it.
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Alan Liss • The "illiberal locusts of the left" found a perfect "Manchurian" Candidate in Barak Hussein Obama. White Guilt played some part in this, but I still hold the uncritical cheerleading media, the ignorant "squishy" middle or so-called "independents", and the brainwashed (University "educated" but profoundly ignorant) "illiberal locusts of the left" to be the primary reasons we got an unqualified man of color elected to the highest office in the land.
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David Yamarick • To answer the question, whites voted for the Presidant because it wasn't about about color and the GOP candidate was a RINO. Whites and others will vote against President Obama because it's about policy. He took office because the electorate and the press ignored his voting record and his mentors. 2012 will be different although significant voter fraud may prevail to produce 2008 results.
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Dammand Cherry • The question assumes that white people don't have the compactly to look past color. this is not a smart question.
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David Tippie • What is the question you are referring to Dammand? It must have gone over my head. 3 days ago
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • @ Dammand, it went over David's head because he is here to sell his book, not really to ask the question.
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David Tippie • It is not one man's battle but there are certainly those that stand out: National Black Republican Association nationalblackrepublicans.com One Man Battling the Democratic Party By Adeeba Folami Wayne Perryman filed a significant reparations lawsuit in 2004, one addressing critical aspects of black history in America. He chose to go up against the Democratic
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Alan Liss • Dammand, I think it is time for Americans of all colors and ethnicities to realize that whatever the reason - America has evolved and it is a positive thing that we as a country looked past color as a criterion for electing a president. Having said that, like the last ultra-left wing president before him - Jimmy Carter (obviously not a man of color) - Barak Obama has driven this economy off the proverbial ditch that Bush (and his Dem congress in 2007,2008) led us to, and over the cliff. Obama will lose in 2012- because of his failed policies and rigid socialist agenda - not because of the color of his skin.
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DammandUnfollow Follow Dammand Dammand Cherry • Alan, do you remember 2008? I think people don't remember what happen. Why are our memories so sort. This country was a week from a great depression. that's not just a talking point it is true. We were not only in a ditch we were about to be the ditch. People need to remember what happen when Lehman brother failed and the stock market almost ran out of money.
Obama didn’t make thinks worst he made it better. How do I know that? Because I am talking to you on a company that won’t exist if things stay the course it was going in 2008.
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David Tippie • We have been slowly sinking into the Progressivism pit for over 100 years and because they are doing a piece at a time, not many have noticed what is taking place. When the word "Progress" is extended with the letters "ivism" "Progressivism" it is really ANTI-Progress. Progressives want their "controlled base" to believe that every part of American lives must be guided and controlled by the government and that the government needs to act to solve all their problems. The way to do this is to legislate on the city, state, and federal levels of the government.
It is sad to hear those who still back Obama even with clear and concise evidence that he not only is doing a bad job he is doing his best to tank our economy.
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GuyUnfollow Follow Guy Guy Magnuson • Jeez David,
I just the flagged the last post as inappropriate. Freedom of speech is one thing. Calling someone a half breed is over the top. Even freedom of speech has limits.
There is only one statement in your entire first post I can accept and that is:
"It is a shame our first black President could not have been someone like Colin Powell, who at one time, was the most respected human being alive."
I would have voted for Colin Powell and for none of the reasons you say. No lingering social guilt would sway my vote. I just want the best people we can get in office. I would have voted for him because he seemed refreshingly honest, of high moral character and had proven himself as a leader in the service of our country as a military commander.
Obama put forth many convincing arguments like; transparency in government, campaign finance reform, his campaign machine portrayed him as being financed by the people which has turned out to be a lie, etc. However, I never felt I could trust him. I don't know what it was. Call it instinct. But I am sure there are people that voted for him because they believed in him and not for the reasons you say. I had hopes for a black president because I observe that many black people are more grounded in their religions than white people are. The black man or woman with multi-generational roots in the U.S. has been here as long as the whites. They are as American as any of us.
The truth is, as more black people are elected to office I see that black people can be corrupted just like whites. That means the only real difference is the color or their skin and that means nothing.
I have to admit I didn’t trust anyone with a Muslim name to be elected to president and that held me back. The fact that his father was from Kenya didn’t qualify him as a true American black in my opinion. Family roots not in this country long enough. His he could have been part white and part black heritage as long as both side of his family had been in the U.S. for two or three generations at least. I wouldn’t vote for a white guy with a Muslim name and one generation away from any foreign country either. We have seen the case in Great Brittan where Muslims born in the country became terrorists. We need Americans in office. What were people thinking? Blacks and whites? The black people needed to support a black man or woman that had some roots in this country to protect their own interests. Same applies to us. I also think Bill Clinton should have been impeached and after reading one of Obama’s books I realized Clinton was one of his mentors. That clinched it for me. I didn’t want another corrupt spin artist for president and with all the scandal surrounding the Clintons I can’t understand how anyone in this country can support either one of them or Obama as he aligned himself with them.
I can forgive his pastor for being angry. It was a non-issue with me, although a bit frightening. We have brutalized blacks in this country for 400 years, at least. It is we who should be asking their forgiveness and not out of a since of guilt. We should make amends to meld within our own consciences the difference between right and wrong so we never do anything that egregious to any group of human beings again.
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I have a little different take on Muslims in this country. I have to admit I am suspicions because of what happened in Great Brittan and it is a difficult thing for me to resolve this in my mind. I think all Muslims in this country need to be watched closely, unless they have been here three or four generations, unless someone else can think of a better way to protect us from terrorism. There is too much anti-American sentiment towards U.S. citizens in middle-eastern countries. We are at war with Muslim extremist and it is very difficult to tell who is who. Vigilance is necessary lest we be fools. We can relax when we have achieved peaceful realtionships with all Muslim countries.
Sharia law is absolutely out of the question. We have had cases where judges that must have been so open minded their brains fell out have acquitted rapes in this country under freedom of religion. If you come to the U. S. you live under U.S. law. Religion can’t be used to divide this country - period. That is the opposite of our intentions regarding religious freedoms. Muslims who hide criminals from the U.S. legal system are guilty of aiding and abetting criminals, which is what is happening.
Here is a link between Obama and Sharia Law. If he goes any further in this direction it is time to consider impeaching him.
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • Guy, during the 60's & 70's it became ., and maybe this isn't the right word, but fashionable for many of our own to turn to the Muslim faith, because we were the blue eyed devil. I say we,( but my family came from Italy, so have no connections to what was done in the past.) I don't have white guilt, because I wasn't taught that way. For the longest time, no one said anything, and I mean the general public, because there was nothing to say. but it grew out of the Muslim countries where the culture is much different then ours. Sharia law was not mentioned, except in very small circles, but had no influenceor so we thought threats to our freedoms. Until 9/11.
Its not color of skin, and anyone that still feels that way should get over themselves. But it is about terrorism which I do not relate to color, my opinion, it is about extremists, and it is about this kind of title of this discussion that divides us and agitates. I have said it from the start and I will say it again. Its antagonistic.
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David Tippie • Guy if your intensions are to bait and disrupt with rhetoric such as, Jeez David, I just the flagged the last post as inappropriate. Freedom of speech is one thing. Calling someone a half breed is over the top. Even freedom of speech has limits.
Then please spare us. I have no idea what you are speaking of, and do not wish to inquire further.
I have seen some of your postings and I know you are above such things. Please stay within the issues which our group is focusing on. Thanks.
You then continued quit eloquently with your statement of: Obama put forth many convincing arguments like; transparency in government, campaign finance reform, his campaign machine portrayed him as being financed by the people which has turned out to be a lie, etc.
AND: you next post of: Sharia law is absolutely out of the question; Is right on point.
The United States of America was founded by men focused on personal and public (civic) ethics and morals. Virtues include: abstinence, bearing affliction, character, civility, and constancy of mind, discipline, faith, friendship, honor, humanity, lawfulness, mildness, self control, and sociability of which Obama is not a representation thereof.
His crony’s as well as he himself may have crossed too many lines to keep themselves out of civil if not official judicial review.
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GuyUnfollow Follow Guy Guy Magnuson • David,
Jeez David was a joke - not an attempt to disrupt. I actually admire your courage for taking on such a hot topic. It is hard to say something with a smile on your face in a post. I should have separated my response to your post and my reaction to the post I flagged. I can see how you are taking it the way you are. I do agree with you about Cowlin Powell. At least that is something - hey :).
Regarding flagging the post. I should have asked you to look at it before I did that. It is your discussion and maybe a more democratic (appropriate thing) to have done was to ask everyone contributing if we should or shouldn't flag it. I apologize. It hit a nerve. The post said something to the effect of "why did we elect a half breed". That is like saying "why did we elect a "N word". I don't know what happens to flagged comments, but maybe you can retrieve it to read for yourself. I would never flag anyone's post unless it was something that I feel is outside the bounds. I would be offended if someone flagged my post but if I say something that derogatory I would deserve it.
This site has moderators so I am assuming that they will review it and decide what to do. If something like that comes up again I will ask the people contributing their opinion about flagging it - fair enough?
Let me clarify my position regarding black people. I would like to see a world where there is no us or them. Just a different skin color. I guess I am going to go have to listen to Martin Luther Kings "I have a dream speach" again tonight to make sure my head is on straight. I love that speach. Hope we can truly get there some day. With a comment like that I guess we aren't there yet.
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David Tippie • No need to clarify black or white read the above post from: Morris Gosa, LC • David, I think you are right on. I have always understood that love is our natural state. Hate has to be taught. Black and white can be equal in the hate department. Sitting around the dinner table as children is where we learn about life and all its trials and tribulations. I as well as you should be prejudice. Prejudice against bad behavior. There should only be Americans in America. If you label yourself as an African, Mexican or whatever before you use the world American, then you are the cause.
Herman Cain is not an African American, he is simply a true American and I am not supporting him either for president.
Now we can shift to illiterate Americans such as the ILL-Liberals and the story changes ever again. But that is a whole new forum.
We are, and no-one will change this, White, Black, Red, Yellow, Brown Americans. If you are not, then hit the exit door and go to the country you say is your home.
So let’s stop feeding the racist mongers who are making a living off of color, and even off the backs of those who happen to be their same color, can you say Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton? Tip Toeing around the race issue is making them wealthier and the TipToer stupid--errerer. You can tell I spell as good as you Guy.
I don’t run from a single issue and will not have others divert my efforts due to their inferior feelings of the issues as all have witnessed.
Deporting illegal’s, militarizing our borders, stopping the money flow out of our country to heal others, before we heal ourselves and to end regulation at the Federal Level, that is not directly tied to the Constitution and bring the words Politics Is Local, back to America is my job one.
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You and I are in perfect alignment on this one except I am willing to give the discussion a chance and pray for the best. The fact that Dammand is contributing gives me more confidence it will work out o.k. See suggestion above regarding statements like the one I flagged. Seem reasonable?
It's in God's hands and our values. Not so sure about the latter after the post I flagged.
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David Tippie • Thanks, Prayer helps! However In the battle of ideas, language is the ballgame. The moment your opponent starts using your words, thinking and conceptualizing as you do, you have won. It is instructive to note that no one from the left speaks any more of ‘modernizing’, which has a dictionary meaning of: To render modern; to adapt to modern person or things; to cause to conform to recent or present usage or taste.
The word modernizing is seen to be tainted with the centralized and target-driven public policy approach who must protect our Constitution, which is not the agenda of progressives. Progressives come together under one tent, worldwide; socialists, Marxist, communists and liberals all self-define as ‘progressives’ the impression given is that these groups identify together rather than independently. Dammand is not hiding he has announced exactly who he represents.
In fact the more conservatives uncover the Vail of the progressives the better we would be, because it would shine the light on the evilness so the voting public could become familiar with the correct term for Liberal Democrat who often hide among the conservatives.
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • No Guy, I have never agreed with the title of this discussion. Attempts to throw me off of here, call me directly sexist names etc have been done.
I think Dammond is right on with what he said, it implys that white people cant look past that. So as far as I am concerned I am glad somone else called it as he sees it.
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David Tippie • One might say: Sharia law is absolutely out of the question. Well check out Michigan. Michigan is the place to immigrate to if you are Muslim. Michigan has the highest population of Muslims in the Unites States. When Obama took office the United States paid several millions of dollars to have a large number of Palestinians, (All Muslim), immigrated to come here from Palestine.
Why? I have no idea, do you! We don’t pay for other persons to immigrate here, and I’m sure that some of those Muslims moved into Michigan where there is a large current population of Muslims already established there.
Muslim men are allowed to have as many as 4 wives. Many Muslims who have immigrated into the U.S. brought their 2-3-or 4 wives with them, but the U.S. does not allow multi marriages, so the man lists one wife as his, and signs the other 2 or 3 up as extended family on welfare and other free Government programs!
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • David, GFY....................
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David Tippie • If you truly love our country you just simply have to give a damn about 240 years of history and the blood, sweat, lives, tears, of our Founders and forefathers who gave us the reins to this great country. Yes entitlements are an issue, but government beaurocracy job creation on the backs of the taxpayer is the main problem and then enforcing the law would be next. We don't enforce laws for illegal aliens but the taxpayer funded beaurocrats (which we can’t afford to pay their salaries) make regulations that shut down Job Creating American business and bankrupt them or send them packing overseas.
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David Tippie • Political Correctness wields a great deal of power in contemporary society. In fact it wields so much power that it can get a person hired, fired, advanced, demoted, praised, or vilified. It’s such a powerful tool that unfortunately it forces weak people to censor themselves, many times against their own convictions. Sometimes unknowingly to people, it even helps shape the way that they think so as not to offend. When in fact offending may be what is necessary to change the criminal status quo.
Political Correctness is basically a word game with ever changing rules that is shaped by a political agenda. It is replacing words that accurately describe a given situation with other words that tend to blur, or hide the truth. Can anyone remember the political correct crowd removing the words Merry Christmas and substituting it with Happy Holidays or what about the removal of the nativity scene for all public places? Progressives are always in the background changing your life, if you allow it. Do you ever wonder what your kids learn in school? Do you know that the progressives have annihilated our cultural education and completely removed teaching the Constitution? That is not all the damage they have been allowed to do, because to expose it all would take a huge book.
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MorrisUnfollow Follow Morris Morris Gosa, LC • OMG! Quite a discussion going on over the last half day or so! Politics- and race- can bring out all kinds of emotions- good and bad.
The way I see it, a white man can vote for a black man, or woman, in my neck of the woods only because of the way he, or she, was raised. The Southern world is different. No matter what anybody wants to say there are a lot of us that remembers the old south of the 50’s and 60’s. That is my heritage. From earlier posts you know how I was raised and most of my beliefs.
My first choice in 2008 was “Condy” Rice. My first choice now is Newt. I like Cain also- not because he is black but because he speaks a lot about free enterprise. Is he perfect? NO! I don’t know anybody in the race that is perfect. We are all human.
Some might say that a black man votes for a white because he was raised- and forced to do so. Many years ago that was true, probably still true in some areas.
I would hope that, if an old southerner like me can support a black man, the way my parents would want, then we could get past the race issue and dowel on the policies of the candidate.
I do not dislike Barack Obama because he is black but because he is a socialist. I have the same dislike for Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi.
As to Sharia Law- a man cannot obey many Gods. I believe the Old Testament talks about that as well as the New. As the Presbyterians believe, we believe in one church and one God. Humans have given us many cults. We cannot obey them all.
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Now you are playing the spin game. (4 posts ago) I am the one who said Sahria Law is out of the question. Use somebody else to this end.
My statement was that when someone immigrates to this country, they give up the laws of the country they came from and adopt our laws. Hiding behind freedom of religion to create a government within our government is unthikable in my mind. That is especially true regarding some of the doctrines of Sharia law.
If you can provide evidence that Obama is supporting Sharia Law in the U.S. I will be the first in line to push for impeaching him.
Your arguements will carry more weight if you provide reference articles that foster indepent verification of your statements.
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AlanUnfollow Follow Alan Alan Liss • Obama may or may not be for Sharia Law - he's for it to the extent that it fits with his Statist ideology. The only problem with the totalitarian “illiberal locusts of the left” that buddy up with totalitarian radical Islamists against classical Western “liberal” tradition is that in the end - like the Marxists that buddied up with the Nazis - the aggressive macho Islamo-nazis are likely to end up in power - not the feminized “illiberal locusts of the left”.
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With respect to your comment on how well I spell - guilty as charged :) One of my engineering professors at CU wrote a bunch of stuff on the board one time and the entire class busted him. He just looked up and said. I'm an engineer. I don't need to spell. I do math. I figured that is good enough for me. Haven't been using the spell checker in this post so hope you can read between the lines. :)
Try this
Ths s an exmple of not beean abl t speall but stll bein abl to comunicat. :)
I digress.
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David Tippie • Guy what is the spin game? If you can provide evidence that would be helpful. Your arguments will carry more weight if you provide reference articles that foster independent verification of your statements. Oh and I like you spell a thon---I can remember taking speed reading with something similar to that---so there is no need for you to provide reference articles that foster independent verification of your statements concerning this issue.
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David Tippie • Guy I think your statement towards my post on Michigan Muslims was: Don't spoil my fear-mongering with your pesky facts. I mean, facts schmacts.No wait a minute, you said DO spoil your fear mongering with pesky facts. Yes that's it. So go to these websites and see if I get your permision to continue on the subject.
Snoopes
* http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=74779
NorthEastShooters:
http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/threads/137219-Michigan-turning-into-Muslim-stronghold
Your President At Work for Muslims
http://www.network54.com/Forum/663811/thread/1311086710/Your+President+at+work+for+Muslims+%5Bno+grin%5D
The Rumor Mill News Reading Room
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=210532
MICHIGAN MUSLIMS on (eons)
http://www.eons.com/groups/topic/2573847-MICHIGAN-MUSLIMS
Guy when you are done with these let me know will ya?
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • Just an fyi, no different than the Hassidic Communties.
Kiryias Joel, Monroe, NY is noted as the poorest per capita community in the country. We New Yorkers are not thrilled over that either. We pay taxes.
So tell me, what is the real question here????
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David Tippie • Why? I have no idea, do you! We don’t pay for other persons to immigrate here, and I’m sure that some of those Muslims moved into Michigan where there is a large current population of Muslims already established there. 2 days ago
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • You asked the question.
I don't quite understand your last statement.
My point is extremists, fundamentalists, special treatment. You brought up the Muslim Community in Michigan and I fyi'd on the Hassidic Community. They are voting blocs, dude. They are told how to vote, by their Rabbi or Imam. They receive special treatment. They have different skin color, they don't even like each other, but they are all on that same voting bloc. They are at war and have been for centuries. Read between the lines.
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • Or is that over your head, don't you get it, yet?
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • This is bigger than all of us. Its not about color. Greece has shut down. It's not color. Its power and they are all on the same team.
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MikeUnfollow Follow Mike Mike Cunningham • Enough
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David Tippie • How to muster our voting ranks to insure we have an Obama free nation is up to each of us. I am putting together live television on YouTube where folks can call in and voice their views. I will keep everyone up to date as progress is made on this. What ideas can you come up with that you could see would make a difference in the 2012 election? 1 day ago
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David Tippie • I think fundamentally what we are seeing is the reconfiguring of the Republican Party and the Tea Party. When they emerge less than a year from now at the beginning the official primary season (as we’re in an unofficial season already), they will be a force to be reckoned with and they will have chosen a candidate that will certainly give Obama a run for his money. I think what will be the downfall of Obama will be whomever is chosen to be the GOP candidate. If the right person is chosen then Obama and the rest of the Democratic Party will have to retrench and have to seriously rethink their strategy. 1 day ago
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David Tippie • Although it was no fluke that Obama squarely won the presidency in 2008, it is also no joke that the Tea Party and GOP swept in the midterm 2010 elections. The GOP’s problem in the 2008 campaign seriously was a case of bad candidates, 1 day ago
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David Tippie • I think Sarah Palin in 2008 turned out to be more of a liability than she was an asset. Seriously, most people thought she was going to be relegated to the annals of history and be nothing more than an obscure Jeopardy! But what people were really thinking was that she could be one heartbeat away from the Whitehouse and that did not go over well. 1 day ago
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David Tippie • In fact, Sarah Palin became famous because of a Tina Fey spoof and quote “I can see Russia from my backyard” and that was a quote Palin never made in life. Not to mention she was teamed up with an old war horse. John McCain could have died of natural causes because he’s just that old. 1 day ago
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David Tippie • This is not to say that the GOP will have an easy battle. This is Barack Obama we’re talking about; Barack the magic Muslim in disguise Blackman who had his own birth certificate fabricated, who has had multiple SS numbers and has had assumed names. Honestly, this is a guy who beat the Jeremiah Wright scandal and still not only won the nomination, but won the general election. But Democrats have easily lost elections before. Need I remind anyone of Jimmy Carter in 1980? But yet again, that had more to do with the candidate who was running against him than the actual party platform. 1 day ago
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David Tippie • On Martin Luther King streets of this country, the recession is real. Neighborhoods are still abandoned because of foreclosures, foreclosures because jobs have dried up or have moved overseas. Certainly municipal and state budgets are feeling the major crisis. While balancing a state or city or county/parish budget has always been the problem, states and municipalities are recording record deficits between spending and revenues but yet this voting base is still behind him. 1 day ago
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David Tippie • And the unemployment rate among blacks is 15.7%, but blacks are still holding strong behind Obummer. 1 day ago
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DammandUnfollow Follow Dammand Dammand Cherry • Daivd, What is your point? You should be a man and say it. Be clear.
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David Tippie • The Recession of 2008-now through 2011 was supposedly the worse since the Great Depression during the 1930s (depending on which economist you talked to on which day of the week), but Obama was too busy acting like this was the Civil War and he had to merge the “red states and the blue states” together for some kumbaya moment. Obama said that by the end of his 1st term he would cut the deficit in half….He has almost doubled it since he has been in office……14 TRILLION dollars.
REPEAL AND REPLACE Obamacare is the message from both parties.
The Obama Achiles Heel: (ECONOMICAL DOWN FALL/AND RECORD JOB LOSS). Yet he talks about immigration reform (WHICH DOES NOT CREATE JOBS) He is talking about the Middle East (WHICH DOES NOT CREATE JOBS) he is talking about all these topics but he has yet to talk about the economy why? BECAUSE HE KNOWS HIS STIMULUS PLAN WAS A FAILURE.
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DammandUnfollow Follow Dammand Dammand Cherry • Unemployment rate in NORTH DAKOTA 3.5 and NEBRASKA 4.2 is at historic lows and a majority don't support Obama. Can you explain?
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David Tippie • Dammand my point is made well in each post, we must come together and insure with have a one term president in the whitehouse, that is pretty simple isn't it Dammand? 1 day ago
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DammandUnfollow Follow Dammand Dammand Cherry • Race seems like the biggest offering in all your post. I know why, you should be a man and say it. Still waiting...
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David Tippie • Damnand what's your point: Rank State Rate
1 NORTH DAKOTA 3.5
2 NEBRASKA 4.2
3 SOUTH DAKOTA 4.7
4 NEW HAMPSHIRE 5.3
5 OKLAHOMA 5.6
6 WYOMING 5.8
7 VERMONT 5.9
8 IOWA 6.1
9 HAWAII 6.2
10 VIRGINIA 6.3
11 NEW MEXICO 6.6
12 KANSAS 6.7
13 LOUISIANA 7.2
13 MINNESOTA 7.2
15 MARYLAND 7.3
16 MASSACHUSETTS 7.4
17 MAINE 7.6
17 UTAH 7.6
19 ALASKA 7.7
20 MONTANA 7.8
21 WISCONSIN 7.9
22 NEW YORK 8.0
23 DELAWARE 8.1
23 WEST VIRGINIA 8.1
25 PENNSYLVANIA 8.2
26 ARKANSAS 8.3
27 COLORADO 8.5
27 TEXAS 8.5
29 INDIANA 8.7
30 MISSOURI 8.8
31 CONNECTICUT 9.0
32 OHIO 9.1
33 IDAHO 9.2
34 ARIZONA 9.3
34 WASHINGTON 9.3
36 NEW JERSEY 9.4
37 KENTUCKY 9.5
38 OREGON 9.6
39 TENNESSEE 9.7
40 ALABAMA 9.9
40 ILLINOIS 9.9
42 GEORGIA 10.2
43 MISSISSIPPI 10.3
44 NORTH CAROLINA 10.4
45 RHODE ISLAND 10.6
46 FLORIDA 10.7
47 DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA 11.1
47 SOUTH CAROLINA 11.1
49 MICHIGAN 11.2
50 CALIFORNIA 12.1
51 NEVADA 13.4
These are averages, but much higher for blacks in these communities.
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DammandUnfollow Follow Dammand Dammand Cherry • I can't keep explaining things to you. you made a correlation between high unemployment and support from the president. I should you the reverse of your argument and asked you to explain it. i guess you can't.
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DammandUnfollow Follow Dammand Dammand Cherry • I thought I was talking to someone who could debate me point by point. guess I was wrong when everything I write to you goes over your head.
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David Tippie • Dammand join Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson if you want to race bate; not in the forum, many better than you have already tried without success. State an idea or an opinion but don't race bait that makes you a very little man. 1 day ago
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DammandUnfollow Follow Dammand Dammand Cherry • hahahaha! Race bate? this is you topic????? "Why Did White Americans Vote For a Black?" I've met many people like you. and its always the same. Can't say what's really on your mind. When you are ready to talk honestly. please wirte me. until then See you around.
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David Tippie • The promise of better job opportunities for African Americans in cities like Charlotte, Miami, Tampa and Las Vegas is unmet, according to a new report released today by the Economic Policy Institute (EPI). Take a look: http://www.eurweb.com/2011/10/high-black-unemployment-no-longer-concentrated-in-rustbelt-cities/ 1 day ago
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David Tippie • To the group: A great hope: Obama/Holder Could Face Felony Charges for Fast and Furioushttp://www.westernjournalism.com/obamaholder-could-face-felony-charges-for-fast-and-furious/
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DammandUnfollow Follow Dammand Dammand Cherry • Joe, all our presidents have been white up to Obama. Explain how that has happen? And most democrats have had over 90% support from the black community (like Obama). By the way, he is a democrat. you my friend are an amateur playing with the big boys. you need to really read more.
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • Trippie, you are certifiable...........
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David Tippie • Dammand your words are shrinking you more, it might be wise to use spell check before telling someone that they are beneath you as you are part of the big boys. Your last statement (you need to really read more) could have a duplicitous meaning. If you had reviewed my postings you would have gathered that I stated democrats have had over 90% support from the black community. Everyone wanted him to be successful, but he is a failure as a president black white green or red, he is a failure. For that reason most are attempting to re-educate the public so that those who voted him into office including the black communities everywhere can see that they are not better off for having this president, regardless of his skin color. It is just like the country realizing they had- had enough of Jimmy Carter. But if you pay closer attention to the posting you can learn these things.
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David Tippie • The U.S. economy is doomed, thanks to the democrat party and their leader, and their union brownshirt troops that have driven thousands of American manufacturing companies overseas. Unions at one time were the saviors of the American working citizen, but then the mob took control of unions, and then the democrat controlled U.S. government in the late 1920`s began cracking down on the union/mob controlled organizations, i.e Al Capon/Hoffa types, and began eliminating, or imprisoning union/mob leaders, beginning in the 70`s. The democrat controlled U.S. government finally forced the unions to become an arm of the democrat party and its purpose was to help elect democrats, and in turn the democrat controlled government would turn a blind eye to the unions activities, in the illegal act of extortion against American manufacturing company's...thus these company's fled the U.S. Obama accused Scott Walker, Wisconsin’s new Republican governor, of unleashing an "assault" on unions in pushing emergency legislation that would change future collective-bargaining agreements that affect most public employees, including teachers. Why did Obama do this? Because the unions are one of Obama’s campaign supporters.
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David Tippie • A Newsmax/InsiderAdvantage poll shows businessman and radio talk-host Herman Cain now leading former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney among likely GOP primary voters in the fight for the 2012 Republican nomination. The exclusive poll, taken in the past 24 hours, shows Cain vaulting Romney 26 percent to 24 percent. The poll has a margin of error of 4.4 percent. Several other polls show similar results, establishing Cain as the new grass-roots frontrunner deadlocked with Romney, the establishment Republican choice:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2788350/posts
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David Tippie • Get the Truth about President Obama — What You Don't Know Can and Will Hurt You Lack of leadership, the first-ever federal credit downgrade, a failed debt deal, unemployment nearing record levels, fresh warnings of a double-dip recession, and the most toxic political climate in Washington history . . . can you trust President Obama?
And, while he continues to be the mainstream media darling, are you even getting the real story from sources you can trust?
Dr. James David Manning video. http://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?p=get+the+truth+about+president+obama+from+a+black+man+on+youtube
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David Tippie • This was posted in another group by William Lyrberg and fits here so well. "Obama has been clamoring for a vote on his jobs bill, so McConnell says OK let's vote! No way says Harry Reid, this is just a political stunt on McConnell's part. As usual, it seems the Blameocrats don't really know what they want except to try and blame the Republicans for everything." Democrats have failed to govern, despite occupying large majorities in Congress and the Presidency. Their failure is not just in situations where external factors limit their control, such as the economy and foreign affairs. They are failures by their own standards. They have repeatedly failed to fulfill promises when they are capable of delivering.
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David Tippie • This is a statement by John Oliver that I think is so very true: I believe every person is born with the capacity to lead and circumstances of life will present the opportunity to choose to lead, follow or get out of the way.
And this one by Gary Magnuson: We have to chose our leaders wisely because we can't convert them once elected.
Both hit home very well and do need reproducing to the general public as best we can.
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MorrisUnfollow Follow Morris Morris Gosa, LC • Dammand, “Unemployment rate in NORTH DAKOTA 3.5 and NEBRASKA 4.2 is at historic lows and a majority don't support Obama.”
It is interesting that you chose 2 of the whitest states in the union to argue against race batting.
Race batting is what you are talking about- isn’t it?
By the way, blacks have supported the party of Jim Crow, & George Wallace for only 60 or 70 years. I have not figured out why? One posible reason is that during the 1960 presidential campaign, Martin Luther King Jr. was arrested and thrown into Reidsville state prison in South Georgia. John Kennedy came out in support of him and M.L.King Sr. went on TV to say that he a bushel full of votes for Mr. Kennedy.
The governments of socialists want to keep you on welfare instead of giving you incentives to get jobs. Mr. Obama, Mr. Reid, & Ms. Pelosi wants to raise taxes. When employers pay taxes they cannot pay new employees. It is as simple as that.
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AlanUnfollow Follow Alan Alan Liss • Obama's election was an ideological victory for the far left. It has proved to be a dismal failure for the rest of America - as was the last far left socialist president Jimmy Carter. Conservatives have a problem with his policies and his record – not the color of his skin.
Back to the topic: White Americans are approximately 70% of the population, and despite our past transgressions against many people of color - Americans voted for an articulate man of mixed race - backed by about $750 million - a complicit cheerleading press - and perhaps, just perhaps, a tinge of white guilt for real or perceived transgressions against blacks in America. But now Obama's far left ideology and record is clear to most of us who judge a man by actions and the “content of character” – not skin color.
Obama is not the messiah. He is not a good president based on his record. He's not terribly experienced in international affairs. He ran against the “evil” policies of Bush – yet he’s done nothing but keep them in place. While his leftist dept of state has all sorts of problems with “waterboarding” terrorists, they don’t seem to have any problem with drone assassination attacks (which most conservatives certainly applaud). He’s never worked in the private sector. His thin resume is as a community organizer and a senator with one of the most liberal voting records in the senate. He’s proclaimed a genius yet his college records are sealed (what does he have to hide?).
He is woefully unqualified for the job of running the world’s lone super power and largest economy in the world. He has not advanced the cause of Black Americans. If anything, he has set things back for Black Americans based on their high unemployment rate. He has divided us as a country. His attorney general has a stated policy of racial preference – e.g., he threw out voter intimidation case against the Black Panthers – based on color of their skin - and the "fast and furious" gun running to Mexico debacle is only one of many scandals that the leftist press ignores.
Obama is the creation of the far left socilalists and the "illiberal locusts of the left". His presidency is not what Martin Luther King had in mind when he said: “I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.”
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David Tippie • I am ashamed at the long term republicans who are-BLOCKING NATIONAL MANDATORY E-VERIFY BILL National political consultants apparently have convinced top House Republican leaders that they should do nothing about immigration this fall out of fear of alienating one open-borders group or another.
All of our Capitol Hill personnel are picking up information this week that these GOP leaders currently plan to keep the Legal Workforce Act (H.R. 2885) from a House floor vote this fall.
The reasoning is absurd in that they supposedly don't want to do anything that detracts from their focus on jobs.
Let me repeat:
I believe every person is born with the capacity to lead and circumstances of life will present the opportunity to choose to lead, follow or get out of the way.
And this one by Gary Magnuson: We have to chose our leaders wisely because we can't convert them once elected.
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GuyUnfollow Follow Guy Guy Magnuson • David - My name is Guy Magnuson and I am not comfortable with you citing me out of context. When I post on this Group my words and thoughts are in the public domain. You or anyone else is free to use them or not. I think you were just being respectful in citing me - Thank you but no need to do that. There would be no greater complement than if someone simply internalizes something I say and I hear it repeated. Fair enough?
I didn’t even say it first on the discussion. I internalized what someone else said and restated it in my own words.
My remark that we should choose wisely was not directly towards Obama or anyone else in particular. One very important aspect of my comment, but not the only one: It applies to every member of congress that accepts any campaign contribution that is anything more than a direct contribution from an American citizen and doesn't limit the contribution to an amount that isn't extremely obvious that it is not enough to sway their vote - that is a fairly small amount in my mind. That means I apply it to our entire legislative and executive branches of government. Campaign contributions aren't the only thing that classifies a congressman as an choice that is not wise. their integrity can be compromise din other ways. The post David reference is on the discussion by John O. regarding the "Root Cause." It has to do with the character of those we elect.
Dammand - Hang in there in the discussion. You are holding your own. Martin Luther King, in his I Have a Dream speech, does a wonderful job of describing an America where this entire issue goes away. I think that day is coming and I wish we could capture the day so we can celebrate it but we won’t and that will be for the best. It will just happen over time and one day we’ll wake up and we’ll realize we are there. We’ll look back and say, “what were we thinking?”
I do see your point. It is about time we elected a black president and I do see it raising the esteem of black men and women in this country, you deserve that, but you do realize that his polls are down even with his strongest supporters. I think he promised much more than he can deliver.
I also understand his attempts to make peace with the Muslim world but I think he is taking it to far if he violates immigration laws for Muslim people, but more of an issue is my previous post. I posted a comment regarding Sharia law in which I said I would be the first in line to push for impeaching Obama if he even takes 1/2 a step towards Sharia law. I am sure you understand that is not a race issue. It is about preserving our laws and our way of life.
I agree with David in wishing a better black president could have been chosen -someone a bit more conservative - like Colin Powell. I fear that Obama will hurt the cause of black men and women in the end. I hope that is not the case.
I am not a liberal, nor am I a conservative. I am not a democrat and I am not a republican. I called myself an independent, but I am not that either. I am simply an American Citizen who tries my best to think for myself.
David - I used the spell checker this time – any better. :)
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GuyUnfollow Follow Guy Guy Magnuson • I just read my previous post. The spell checker didn't help - blame it on the hour I was writing. :)
I am not writing a book but this is a wonderful quote by John Steinbeck - a statement in humility. Humility being defined as knowing who we are.
“If I could do this book properly it would be one of the really fine books and a truly American book. But I am assailed with my own ignorance and inability. i'll just have to work from a background of these. Honesty. If I can keep an honesty it is all I can expect of my poor brain.... If I can do that it will be all my lack of genius can produce. For no else knows my lack of ability the way I do. I am pushing against it all the time.”
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David Tippie • One fact is often overlooked when it comes to discussing humanity’s place, and that is that man is a part of nature. Indeed humans are a product of nature and the ever changing living system that controls our very lives, we either accept, or we change it. We modern humans are physically and probably mentally not the product of our thoughts or technology but the result of evolutionary pressures. We have survived and prospered because our maker has seen to it that we are highly fit. That can also be said for any other successful species that you can think of.
If we pose the question, how did Homo sapiens get to where we are, we find we have two general reasoning paths that can be taken? We can stake the path of science and address the question through deductive reasoning and testable hypotheses or, we can take the path of inductive reason and faith. We were given free will so what you choose is up to you.
Just like nature is constantly adapting to change so should we as humans but never abandoning the belief that if we don't change, nothing will about our lives; personal responsibility is of the up-most importance. Constantly trying to live in the past only creates frustrations for that person trying live in the past. For he will always be flustered that very few, or no one at all, will buy into his thinking derived from the past.
Guy, your use of quotes brings to mind John Buchan's quote: "Without humility there can be no humanity". Further he states: "The task of leadership is not to put greatness into humanity but to elicit it, for the greatness is already there."
I say to every man in America: If you show respect for others you are already great now be a man, but first foremost, be an American. Don't hide behind a name that has been the source of your de-evolving of character. If you love our country you are not a Negro, Mexican, Chinese, India etc-etc; you are simply a great American and if you desire to become a respected American, then By-God you have to earn it. You shall reap what you sew. There are no more entitlements and free rides. If you don’t love this country then by all means “Leave IT.”
A great example of how people continually want to get something free without effort would be: When you keep going into the same restaurant with a credit card that has expired you will keep getting the same thing, and it won't be food. It is the same with the race card---it has expired, so don't flash it around here, it will not be accepted and you will keep getting the same thing.
Honorable men do not deserve to be talked about because of their, race or skin color. That would be an insult to their efforts as a great American.
It brings to mind what Obama stated in one of his closing remarks when he was running for president and that was; "and don't forget"," I am a Blackman." He exposed his underbelly with that remark and the “lame-stream” media tossed it aside because of their affair with this make-believer; only to have America learn the hard way what he meant by such utter non-sense which was piled on the heap of garbage he has collected around himself to date.
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David Tippie • Here is one of Herman Cain's radio addresses to his listening audience. We have a crisis of crises in this country and some people continue to make the false claim that the Tea Party movement is racist, simply because many of us disagree with the policies of the Obama Administration. They also play the race card to try to dismiss President Obama’s leadership deficiencies.
Last week, a reporter asked me about some homemade signs at early Tea Party rallies, which were offensive toward President Obama and which quickly disappeared from subsequent rallies. But the reporter never mentioned the barrage of Bush-bashing by the liberals in the media who made it a sport when Bush was president.
When a black listener to my radio show finally figured out that I am an American Black Conservative (ABC) who disagrees with the failed policies of the Obama Administration, he did not call me a racist but resorted to calling me “shameless”, since I dared to disagree with our black president.
I pointed out to him that some black people can think for themselves, and that we all have a right to criticize our elected officeholders. You will notice that I did not refer to them as leaders. That would have been inaccurate.
Recently, I won the presidential straw poll at the Tea Party National Policy Summit in Phoenix, Arizona. During an interview last week, a reporter asked if I won because the Tea Party people are trying to dispel the accusations of racism. Never mind that this is the third unscientific presidential straw poll I have won in the last couple of months, along with RedState.com and WHO Radio in Des Moines, Iowa.
And then last week in the World Net Daily straw poll, I finished in a statistical tie for first place with Sarah Palin, Ron Paul and Allen West. Since Representative West is also an American Black Conservative (ABC), it is highly unlikely that so many people in different straw polls are voting for us to show that they are not racist.
Such a ridiculous conclusion would be an insult to both Representative West and me. If people would look at our respective histories, they just might notice a long list of “red meat” accomplishments.
Another reporter asked me last week, “Why do Tea Party people like you so much?”
What?
Could it be they liked my message of less government, free markets, upholding the Constitution and individual responsibility? Can the liberal mind possibly consider that people like me because they see some leadership in Herman Cain? Could the people who are part of this massive citizens’ movement be looking past the color of my skin?
Maybe people like my common sense ideas about how we get this country back on the right track. Because it is clear from the dozens of speeches and town hall meetings I have done across the country that most people feel we are definitely on the wrong track with this administration. That is, everybody except the liberals and the so-called progressives.
So get over it! The race card has expired! Intelligent thinkers are not buying it.
The expired race card is not going to dismiss the lack of leadership by this president. He has not focused on the right problems. His priorities are politically motivated. He has not surrounded himself with the right people, and he has not put the interest of the American people first.
Most people have gotten past race. They are looking for results.
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David Tippie • We need to come together and make certain that the underdog in the 2012 presidential campaign is the Obummer with a resurgents of conservatism. Americans are clearly fed up with “Washington” and “politics.” Had Obama opted to embrace a stimulative tax overhaul with fewer loopholes and lower rates or even some level of entitlement reform, it would have put Republicans on the spot. Instead, Obama came up with a third stimulus package at a cost of $450 billion and a proposal for a $2 trillion tax increase on top earners; which hopefully will deal the fatal blow to Obumer in 2012. Who can point to weaknesses and strengths from both parties so we can learn better tactics?
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GuyUnfollow Follow Guy Guy Magnuson • David,
Great quote.
I don't think black people are looking for a handout anymore than white people or any other race. The people at the bottom of our of economic system, of any race, are downtrodden.
I think that considering the fact that our form of Government was initiated in 1619 at the house of Burgesses, almost 400 years ago and we didn't give black men the right to vote until 1870 (17th amendment), almost 270 years after whites got it, deserves consideration. The same applies to women, all women. They didn't get the right to vote until 1920 (the19th amendment), deserves consideration. The fact that we didn't make strides in improving the plight of black men and women and women in general didn't happen until the civil rights movement in the 1950's, 330 years after our form of government was born, deserves consideration. That is not about some social guilt. That is just about right and wrong and what we do to correct the wrongs.
I went to college on my own bootstraps and I was frustrated that minorities got consideration ahead of me, in receiving grants. I worked 70 hours a week to get through school. I had no form of outside support, so I know how tough it can be. I considered myself to be one of the downtrodden then and I couldn't understand why I didn't get equal rights just because I was white. I had to work harder than wealthy whites. I had to worker harder than poor minorities. Still, all I said above deserves consideration.
What is destroying this country more than anything else is the propensity for the rich to get richer. As I said before I reject trickle down economics and I refuse to accept the notion that I have to bathe in the piss of the wealthy to make a living. I posted a Bill Moyer article on the Root Causes discussion. I'll post it again here. Is there a class war being waged in this country? Yes. It is absolutely real and it has existed since this country was formed. The top echelon in this country and the top echelon of other countries they align themselves with, wage class warfare against us every day that we live and breathe. It has hit an epidemic proportion in recent times. Through economic collapse, every person in this country understands this, except those that have let their minds become sullied by a bribe from the wealthy. Our Congress behaves like whores. Who would disagree? Speak up.
Our founding fathers sacrificed greatly to give us our ideals. Those ideals are perverted by bribes - everywhere. Study the way Goldman Sachs functions, one of the most blatant at this, a company that pays mega bonuses to so many of their employees to buy the loyalty of the morally weak so they can live in the lap of luxury while other struggle to get by. It is their business model.
Discussions about race, unless they bring us to the conclusion that is not about race, but about what it has always been about, the haves and the haves not, are nonsense.
We tried to separate ourselves from the "Rule of Kings" and "Lords". We have failed miserably. A new class of Kings and Lords has risen to replace them. Throw away the fairly tails and see things for what they are.
Banks to big to fail? Bullshit. A people who have become too afraid and too comfy to stand up to the corruption, because we don't want to come out of our comfort zone or make a sacrifice - reality.
Listen to what the 17th Amendment tried to stop by giving us the right to cast our votes for U.S. Senators, instead of giving our proxy to State Senators. Then look around and ask yourself. Did it work?
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Start with the undeniable truth of our current state of affairs and shape your thoughts and actions from that truth. In defense of this Great Nation, I would be in prison for saying this in many other countries. Take faith in that and do something. See and speak the truth, see the need, form a concept and act on it.
Forget about this black white stuff – but then again David. You have given us opportunity to discuss. I commend you for that. Open dialog is a good thing.
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • @ Guy, Troy, Morris, Alan............I implore you to not feed into this. The title is insensitive and only meant to agitiate. David, may God bless him, but he is out in left field...............let it go. Go into some worthwhile discussions.............this one sways, David is obsessed, I did not like his reference to " Marther Luther King" areas. If you come up to my area, we have no such boulevards, we have tent citys.................I have worked in the battle fields & on Martin Luther King blvds, so yes I take offense I loved where I was.............whether it be white, black, Appalachia..................aliens............its not about color.
this should end. I think David has made his statement...............end of story. My opinion. I know I need to bow out of this, but for some reason, I still find it a slap in the face for all of those that don't think color............we think smart, credible, leadership. God forbid this was a woman in office. Salem would resurrect.........................let this go.
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GuyUnfollow Follow Guy Guy Magnuson • Sue
What this discussion does is allow you to say what you just said. It gives me an opportunity to counter racist arguements too. It also gave me the opportunity to flag someone who made a very racist statement.
Your example and your voice is being heard. Also, if we go back through the posts my guess is the racists have all flown the coop. Racist arguements are easy to slap down. Would it be better to let all see that?
"I still find it a slap in the face for all of those that don't think color............we think smart, credible, leadership"
That summarises it very well. You are absolutely right. I think that anyone who reads the post will find that message.
What do you think? I'll consider what you are saying, bBut who is going to keep the racist from overtaking the discussion if we don't?
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • You know, Guy, I really don't know. I would like to end my part in this discussion, I think its crazy, I think that there is no gain or information from this. I think its sucks.
Maybe if the discussion stays with one person it is no longer a discussion, its a delusion. I just don't like it, it is against my grain , but maybe those who fall for this BS can keep talking to themselves.
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JenniferUnfollow Follow Jennifer Jennifer Wise ( LION Networker 2750+ Connects!) • Sue, Guy and others. I am copying this as my response to Dammand Cherry on the Politics on the rocks thread. I think it really belongs here and not on a thread about the weight of Chris Christie.
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Obama has a very slim state senate resume ( name one accomplisment) he was a Union Organizer and never been an Executive or run any business ever. The minute he became US Senator he started his campaign for President. His one real accomplishment is that he is/was a good campaigner that gave us no resume and empty rhetoric. He had no accomplishment as a US Senator either.
Even the Democrats are running from him ( Harry Reid says he doesnt have the votes for the current Obama jobs bill). His first 2 years were with the entire House and Senate and his policies made everything worse
My point is this. If a WHITE MAN was running he would need to be an accomplished business executive, Governor or have a track record. Obama had NO track record and wowed people into thinking they were racist if they did not give him the chance. YOU KNOW I AM RIGHT.
If you take his resume and place it on a white man he ( Obama) would be laughed out of town.
Also, he had a Communist mom ( not his fault) and a Marxist dad and they both virtually abandoned him to grow up in racist Hawaii ( I was nearly born there...not a good place to b e a white or black kid.... the hawaiians hate the outsiders and do all kinds of nasty things to the outsiders).
He doesn't have the roots of a real American family so doesn't have the love of country or love and respect for the Constitituion. Follow Europe and he wants the US to be like E
U which is socialist.
THE USA IS NOT SOCIALIST!!! The American Dream is one of being able to make it on our efforts with the government staying out of the way. His laws are bringing in 800+ more regulations as I write this.
No... he is NOT about the American Dream regardless of his color but his color is the only reason he got elected. Obama would not have been taken seriously had he been a white guy with his track record, associates and marxist background.
I know you know in your heart I am right. The party of Abraham Lincoln should have had the first non white President..... it is the Party that freed the slaves, not the party that enslaves them into a mob ( guess) ( forgive the errors.. my spellcheck is jammed now)
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JenniferUnfollow Follow Jennifer Jennifer Wise ( LION Networker 2750+ Connects!) • One last thing... I love the idea of a black President, a woman President, a Cuban American President or lots of other minority Presidents.
It is too bad that the FIRST non white was someone who IS not qualified.This leaves a bad taste.... too bad it was not a Colin Powell, a Herman Cain, a Thomas Sewell.
We have many wise and experienced people of all colors and stripes and religions who are QUALIFIED as real leaders , with a real track record of building coalititions.
WE NEED A PROBLEM SOLVER who is beyond party affiliation. That is definiately not Obama who is the most devisive President of my life time so far. Even his Democrats run from him....
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GeorgeUnfollow Follow George George Somaru • I would only add that problem solvers can cause problems unless they are getting government out of the business of solving problems. Protecting life, liberty and property is the proper government role – protecting the states from foreign invasion too. Thomas Sewell would be the best choice in the previous post. Ideally, we need a strong Constitutionalist.
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JenniferUnfollow Follow Jennifer Jennifer Wise ( LION Networker 2750+ Connects!) • Great points George! I want anyone who knows what the Government is supposed to be ( small) and knows, loves and upholds the Constitution.
But we really have to get beyond this vitriolic party rancor. It is defeating us and Americans should be beyond that by now.
The world has always looked to us as an Inspiration. We need our leader to be that because we all need to be inspired by The American Dream again.
My tribute to Steve Jobs as posted elsewhere... who lived the Dream.
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Jennifer Wise ( LION Networker 2750+ Connects!) • I have been thinking a great deal about Steve Jobs over the last 24 hours or so.
I think he is surely one of the most TRANSFORMATIVE people from my generation.
If anyone makes a case for adoption and not abortion it should be Steve Jobs. Two U of Wisconsin students conceived him and gave him up for adoption to a blue collar family in Cupertino CA.
Out of his start of non priviledge ( by contrast look at Bill Gates who was from a wealthy family,both parents being attorneys and private schools) and look at Jobs.
His life was amazing..... he changed the way we communicate, do business and even in entertainment with Pixar.
I think it was a miracle that he lived to 2011 since he was diagnosed with deadly pancreatic cancer in 2003..... what a life and what a contribution.
THANKS STEVE... THANKS APPLE AND MY DEEPEST CONDOLENCES TO HIS FAMILY, LOVED ONES AND THOSE WHO KNEW HIM. I cannot think of anyone who is really his peer.
REST IN PEACE AND YOUR PAIN IS OVER......
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MorrisUnfollow Follow Morris Morris Gosa, LC • What I have noticed, the short time I have been involved in this discussion, is that we all want racism to end. Red, yellow, black, or white, we are all God’s children.
The only people I see pushing the race issue in the country are the socialist. They have to create discord among the population in order to hold on to power. Without discord Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson will have to get real jobs.
Sue, it is great that you have gone and done service in places not as economically active as some of the states. You are right it is not about color. I was born in Appalachia and know that the last thing the natives of the area want is more government intervention.
Finally, I believe that if Herman Cain garners the Republican nomination and wins the presidency he will be the first native born American black man in the white house
The party of Abraham Lincoln wins again!
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GuyUnfollow Follow Guy Guy Magnuson • Jennifer, George, Morris, Sue and all
Joe Eckart is the guy who stooped to calling him a half breed in stating "why did we elect a half breed"
Here is some more stooping on Joe's part.
"You know Sue honey, you should try to be less a bitch and more a lady."
stooped - to lower oneself morally.
David - it is your discussion. Take some responsibility here. What do you think we should do about this? What does the group think we should do about this?
With Freedom comes ressponsibility.
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GuyUnfollow Follow Guy Guy Magnuson • Jennifer. I personally know quite a few white people that didn't vote for him just because he was black. That is garbage. I also know some of them who are on now saying. I want to like him but I am not so sure anymore. You are absolutely right about his ability to deliver a speech. One of his mentors is Bill Clinton. The greatest spin artist ever elected to the office. The guy who brought us our current economic collapse. I can also agree with many of your other points.
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JenniferUnfollow Follow Jennifer Jennifer Wise ( LION Networker 2750+ Connects!) • Why don't we all give skin color a rest. Can I congure up MLK Jr and say lets look at the content of a persons character and their ideas and track record?
Lets analyze all these candidates by what they have done in their lives and their accomplishments or lack.
I used to recruit Executives so I look for talent in that way. Obama would not have gotten any of the jobs I recruited for with his lack of resume and real talents.
He can barely speak without a teleprompter. I don't care what color anyone is.
WHAT ARE THEIR PLANS & CAN THEY PROBLEM SOLVE?
Joe Eckhardt you are entitled to any opinion you wish to have but what purpose does it serve to call anyone a half breed or a bitch or any names? It seems counter productive.
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David Tippie • jennifer has come to the core of the issue that skin color is not the issue and that only socialist will spin anything to mean color is the real issue. Anyone with barin cells can see we have been doupted by Obama who has nothing to say unless he has a teleprompter. His plans were of hop and change, well how it that working out for you now folks? And let me say racism has ended and many still get hung up on the verbiage I choose rather than the content of my message. Whether you are a well-to-do white male or are a barely-making-it single mother living in subsidized housing, you are likely to hold some misguided perceptions about race and class; is exactly what progressives are hoping for so they can control and direct our conversations which is exactly why we need to discuss this topic candidly!
I can completely understand Sue's position because she is from the generation of full indoctrination not to touch this topic but that will never remove mine or any other persons right to agressively persue it. They use race/class to divide us, why should we play into that hand of lies?
But as Alan put it: The "illiberal locusts of the left" found a perfect "Manchurian" Candidate in Barak Hussein Obama. White Guilt played some part in this, but I still hold the uncritical cheerleading media, the ignorant "squishy" middle or so-called "independents", and the brainwashed (University "educated" but profoundly ignorant) "illiberal locusts of the left" to be the primary reasons we got an unqualified man of color elected to the highest office in the land.
Why would we fall into that trap and perpetuate the race card rhetoric rather than allowing a natural and needed conversation regarding this topic? Evidence truths should not be ignored simply because the subject matter is "uncomfortable", we truly should be discussing this so we do not repeat the problematic behaviors. White guilt is a real problem among the population.
Sue is an intelligent woman and though we may not agree on every subject, I do respect her view points. On this particular topic the generation gap is clear but it is not personal and in fact I would go as far as to say it is our generation's fault for not nipping the indoctrination before it could fully root and effect our children so profoundly, but then we were just little kids at the time so not sure we had much control over it either. The only way to truly tackle the problems associated are to talk about them and seek out solutions. Solutions to any problem rarely includes silence.
Jennifer has it spot on when she says: There does not seem to be apathy on the part of Republican voters David. I think what has been going on in this administration is energizing all sorts of people. Black Americans have the highest unemployment rate now. Will they vote against Obama if they are unemployed or underemployed in a year?
To me, anyone who votes for skin color is the racist. I remember MLK Jr talking about the content of a persons character and not their skin color. She continues with: If Obama had been a white guy who rarely voted as a state congressman, rarely voted as a US Senator, had no Executive or private sector business experience lets all face the facts... he would have NEVER been chosen as the nominee. He was and still is grossly underqualified for real world economics and problems. He is at heart the professor and community organizer/agitator and that is unlikely to change. Obama had very little real accomplishment other than having a Hamas member pay his way to Harvard where he could start his games.
Denise Simmons said • We already have intelligent perspectives from black people, lots of black people! White people need to drop the fear of discussing the topic and stop looking for skin tone to define merit of the conversation. This argument is equivalent to saying men do not have a say in abortion!
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GuyUnfollow Follow Guy Guy Magnuson • Jennifer
Thank you!!!!!
David
When I listen to you I hear an immense ego. I provide a quote regarding humility and you thru one back. Have you internalized either one. Our egos, mine included, almost always take us down the wrong path.
As you are the one who started this discussion why haven't you taken responsibility when it goes over the top. Why have you not even bothered to make a comment regarding the half breed statement. See my previous request.
Your statement that "anyone who votes for skin color is a racist" combined with much of what you say seems to indicate you are refering to blacks. But you ignore the post right above Jennifer's. To me that displays a lack of courage and a propensity towards racism on your part.
You chastised me last time I flagged it and I made an agreement that I would give you the opportunity if it happened again. Any decent person reading that post would think everyone at the PCH is ignorant.
Time to separate the men from the boys David. What are you going to do?
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GeorgeUnfollow Follow George George Somaru • Judging from the flagging going on in this discussion I wonder if the topic serves a purpose. This is a popular discussion. Just where is it going tough?
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JenniferUnfollow Follow Jennifer Jennifer Wise ( LION Networker 2750+ Connects!) • Time for new discussion? What is next? I am tired of people playing the race card regardless which race they are defending. It has little real relevance although our history as people is unfortunately littered with racism of some group for another.
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GeorgeUnfollow Follow George George Somaru • What do you say David? Can we gain anything else here?
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SueUnfollow Follow Sue Sue Allen • To Jennifer, George, Guy, Morris..........we all recognize President Obama for what he is. His color doesn't matter to me. His policies, however, do. I did not vote for him. I also did not come from a generation that did not speak up.
To Joe & David ......................GFY
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David Tippie • George it is astonishing that you point to the content as if it has been completed by saying what else can we gain here. This is in obvious alignment with those who have tried--since the very beginning of the post, to "order" that I stop talking of the subject matter. You have chosen not to respond to me privately about those obvious rude and lascivious disruptions, which you now seem to be aligning yourself with; correct me if I am wrong. While I have always thought highly of your character it would seem that the foot stomping and screaming with the rudeness and the temper tantrums are capable of swaying character. Again, correct me if I am wrong.
I am certain that JFK faced similar squads of Aloof people with his Executive Order 11110, that would turn the Federal Reserve back into just being another bank, and turn the printing of money back over the Congress, but those that disagreed with him did not sway him. Ronald Reagan faced down the air-traffic controllers union and wound up firing more than 11,000 of them, which I am certain was tough and certainly he could have chosen the easy road; but he didn’t.
There are going to be those who continually want to spray paint on the walls of this discussion to bring it down to where they reside-- in the ghetto, but they only show themselves as to whom they really are and it has nothing to do with the tough elevated subject matter. After all, when you and your spouse are out in a restaurant eating and there are kids acting up because their parents should have never had children, you simply ignore them.
George, for a person who has more than just let it be known that you are a constitutionalist, this action of trying to satisfy the air-traffic controllers union, (so to speak-you know what I imply) would not seem to reflect--constitutionalism.
Successful people have a common trait: they are enthusiastic learners and remain that way forever. Those who have the know-it-all attitude may miss a few opportunities. “Experts” strive to keep up with the times and learning new things every day - never resting on their laurels. How about you?
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GeorgeUnfollow Follow George George Somaru • @David: Go back and read my last two posts. I have read all your messages to me and those from everyone else. I am simply asking whether this discussion should continue or if it is poisoning the group. I am not judging for condemnation; only identification. With all the complaining and flagging going on (much of it useless for evaluation purposes) I am only trying to determine whether all this conflict is worth it or not. My bias is for the group, as a whole, not for any individuals. Make your single paragraph case for keeping the discussion going please. I won't read anything longer. Omit mention of unions, JFK, the Fed, etc. I don't care for any of them.
@All: Keep this discussion painfully civil and on track or message me to end it. The way things are going this discussion, it will be ended soon unless the chorus sings otherwise, or David succeeds in making his case.
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GuyUnfollow Follow Guy Guy Magnuson • Joe,
This is all honest - please take it that way.
Please understand I am not condemning you. I am condemning something else. When I was a very young man, long ago, I would have said the same thing. It's been a journey, a rocky one and full of pitfalls. It still is but I am learning to avoid them. I seem to have learned absolutely everything the hard way. My ego trapped me in that thought process and my ego just about beat me to death. It still does if I don't stay vigilant. Not so much the racism of my youth, but my ego still beats me up in other ways. It has never done me any good. Love and humility, humility being defined as seeing who we are, overcomes that. My creator has better plans for me -- when I listen. I look back now and when I falter and I have to ask myself. What was I thinking? I feel much better about myself now.
When you see me lose my humility and you see my ego overcoming me, and you will. Please tell me.
Thank you - Sincerely
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David Tippie • My statement while short is profound. "while it might be inconvenient or not politically correct, it is truth and there is only ONE truth - it is not relative to any one individual. Those who don't like it need to put on their big boy/girl pants and deal with it because truth is also eternal and does not change, no matter how much we wish it would go away. "
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GuyUnfollow Follow Guy Guy Magnuson • Please David. I gave it a chance. Let this go. You have more to offer.
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David Tippie • Guy, not to worry, to be human is to error. My savior has taught me many lessons and patients and forgiveness is at the top. 4 minutes ago
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David Tippie • But giving in to demands of others who have personal battles is not in my genes. 2 minutes ago
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David Tippie • Well George did I make my single paragraph case for keeping the discussion going? 1 second ago
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David Tippie • Well George did I make my single paragraph case for keeping the discussion going? 22 minutes ago
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GeorgeUnfollow Follow George George Somaru • @David: I'm not sure just what point you made or how it relates to the topic or how you demonstrated that the topic has a valid objective; as relates to the Political Coffeehouse Group. You just took four posts to basically leave me with the same question that I asked you before.
People are complaining about this discussion and eachothers conduct in it. I find nothing of interest here to me. I have been asked to intervene here numerous times. I would rather not. I will though if things don't improve.
David you should facilitate your own discussions and detach yourself from them just a bit. I get in thick with these discussions at times myself, but I stay on topic and I don't point out too aggressively when others don't.
@All: Stick to the topic or leave the discussion. Flag only the most extreme offenses please.
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GuyUnfollow Follow Guy Guy Magnuson • David, answer me honestly - did you design this to take you to the top of top infuencers list?
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David Tippie • No George, the only one that was meant for you was what you commanded from me, remember: Make your single paragraph case for keeping the discussion going. So I post it again below, is it’s shortness acceptable? My statement while short is profound. "while it might be inconvenient or not politically correct, it is truth and there is only ONE truth - it is not relative to any one individual.
Those who don't like it need to put on their big boy/girl pants and deal with it because truth is also eternal and does not change, no matter how much we wish it would go away. "
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David Tippie • And Guy this is for you: What is an infuencers list, sounds interesting, whatever it is. 1 second ago
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George Somaru • @All: Can anyone make a case for keeping this discussion going that gets to the point? I have not seen such a reason yet. I'll confer with the group manager and hopefully someone in this group will argue to keep it alive before I get back. Ultimately this decision will be made by the group or the group manager; not me. 7 minutes ago • Unlike • Like
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David Tippie • Not to fret George if you should see the need to censor the group members who can handle the truth by deleting the post here, I want all to know that every word will be re-created in another group called: The Political Conservative Objective----where truth is not censored. But members, know that David Tippie did not censor you by deleting this discussion.
Herman Cain’s interview with the left wing Lawrence O’Donnell of MSNBC
What passes for unbiased journalism in America today is, in reality, just another arm of the Obama reelection campaign!
http://politicsandfinance.blogspot.com/2011/10/video-mainstream-media-bias-on-full.html
Rae, I have put the conversation on our group The Political Conservative Objective, where left wing nut jobs are not allowed. You will be right at home in my group. If you are not a member send me your email and I will personally invite you, or you can simply select join when you locate the group and I will click you right in. Comment such as yours must not go un-cultivated.
David
